Origin of Continental Currency?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Randy Abercrombie, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    The formative years of our nation are quite interesting to me. Consequently, coins of that era are of a particular interest to me as well. I own a few pieces from our nations formative years, but being a working man they are few and far between. The Continental Currency coin dated 1776 is a coin that I would absolutely love to own, but being a coin that typically auctions at six figures, I'll likely never own one.

    Today I received an email from Heritage touting their upcoming auction. They highlighted a beautiful Continental Currency coin that is on the auction block. It is one of the finest I have ever seen. They offered a write up on the piece with a different spin on the origin than I had ever heard. According to their article, they cite that there is evidence to suggest these were struck in London in 1783 as medals, not circulating coinage. I wonder if this may dim some of the luster of these pieces and affect the future value if their origin is proven to be from London?
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I rather doubt it. First of all, at this point I doubt that the origins of the coins could ever be proven with certainty one way or the other. But even if the origins could be proved, people would still only believe what they want to believe. And it is that belief that sets the value - nothing else.

    Secondly, consider the 1804 dollar, one of the most valuable and highly prized coins there is. And yet it's not even a real coin, it's a fantasy coin. Known for a fact to have been struck decades after the date they bear. And then additional copies made even later. But yet they keep increasing in value as time goes on.

    So, why should the continental currency coins be any different ?
     
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Wishful thinking perhaps??
     
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  5. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It has hurt the price at auction. Eric P. Newman was the guru on these, and the information of their token status came out after his death. He may have known they were English tokens, and hid that information to uphold the value of his holdings.

    As they used to day, standby for more at 11:00.
     
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  6. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    @Randy Abercrombie do you have a link to that Heritage auction with the Continental Currency coin?
     
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  7. Randy Abercrombie

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're forgetting that people will only believe what they want to believe - regardless of what the facts are.
     
  9. Kentucky

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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think that the value has gone down on the Continental Dollars. People might want to believe what they want to believe, but given than these coins have sold for 5 and 6 figure prices, that eliminates most all of the casual buyers. Most of the people who buy these pieces have done some homework, and most all of them are aware of the new history.

    There is big difference between a piece that was used during the American Revolutionary War, and a token that celebrated the end of that war. Given that choice, a Libertas Americanas Medal seems a lot more appealing to me, and it’s a lot cheaper, at least in bronze.

    I had an interest in the coin at one time, but I don’t now, at least not at anything close to the previous prices. I won’t pay 5 figures for one.
     
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  11. Kentucky

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  13. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Common sense says that the credible change in status from "America's first coin" to "real spiffy commemorative medal" will hurt their value in the long run. People like me who were brought up on the (erroneous) mystique of the "coins" will always want one, but future generations will think less of them than we do.
     
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  14. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Thanks for a very informative thread! I was fascinated with the Heritage Auction information. I am also impressed that they would include such detailed information that undoubtedly diminishes the appeal and price of the item. I agree with GDJMSP that, for some, the long-held place the piece has had will keep its appeal, but CaptHenway is ultimately right. Long-term, it will drop to a much lower status as only an "historically interesting medal."
     
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  15. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Heritage is pretty straight with their writeups. It pays off for them in the long run because people trust their auctions.
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Perhaps so, but as it is, it's still nothing more than a theory - a maybe. Of course we've all seen more examples in life than we can count that just a "claim" such and such is true - is all it takes to greatly change things.
     
  17. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Can’t afford one of the Continental Dollars? Get one of these instead! This cost me a little under $120.

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  18. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I have to say @TypeCoin971793 ...... I probably looked at this a dozen times since you posted and this old bill is really growing on me. I am not a bill guy. If I wanted to see if I could track one of these down what search parameters would I use? Continental paper money?
     
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  19. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I use

    1776 dollar (2/3, half, 1/3, 1/6, one sixth, 1/2, third)

    on eBay. There’s one for $99.99 right now.
     
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  20. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Bull pucky.

    EPN was the consummate professional numismatist. If he knew it and could prove it or show reasonable doubt he would have published it.
     
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  21. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I'd be happy with a Fugio cent and a paper piece like TypeCoin's.
    fugio cent 1787 15-Y obv.jpg fugio cent 1787 15-Y rev.jpg
     
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