Opinions on this 1945-S Walking Liberty Half... Toned? Damaged?

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  1. ocjoe949

    ocjoe949 Active Member

    I bought a little pile of junk silver today. In that pile was this 1945-S Walking Liberty Half Dollar that caught my eye. It looks like a low AU or high XF PICT3069.JPG PICT3070.JPG but it's hard to tell with all the toning going on. I showed it to a few people. Some said it was nicely toned. One person told me to dip it. One said it has "environmental damage". I kinda like it the way it is, but I don't know what to do with it if anything. I know it looks rusted, but it's not. I looked at it under a magnifier. Again that's just my opinion.

    What would you guys do with it??
     
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  3. josh's coins

    josh's coins Well-Known Member

    looks like it was buried in the dirt for quite a while.
     
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    not from being buried.

    At leas t not like any silver that i have ever dug
     
  5. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I kind of like it. Not sure of the technical grade as the obverse right field looks "grainy". If it were me, I'd put it in an airtite and keep it as is.
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Looks like environmental damage but I like it. Probably AU if not for the damage. I don't think it was dug.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Put it in an AirTite just the way it is. If nothing else, it will make a great conversation piece.

    Chris
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    There is a reason a friend said dip it. One, that toning is beginning to turn terminal. A buyer, (if you were thinking of selling it), would worry there is damage underneath the tone. If you keep it, make DARN sure you stop the toning. It might be fine underneath, there might be damage, but if you are not going to dip it to remove this heavy layer of tone, at least be a good custodian and keep it very dry and away from toning agents.
     
  9. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Will AirTites halt the toning process or just slow it down?
     
  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Airtights will help, but the environment has to be correct. If stored in a sdb, do not store paper, especially non-white paper, in the sdb. Also, near the front of the sdb put some unprotected ASE of similar. They will absorb and toning inducing agents and tone first. If these ASE's tone, they are telling you something is wrong. Fix the problem, throw those ASE's in a box, and buy new ones to "sacrifice". This helps slow down toning for all of your coins, with a side benefit of forcing you to buy silver regularly, (never a bad thing right)? I actually own 1996 ASE's ONLY because I was doing this, and changed them out that year. I think someone told me 96 was a little scarcer year, I don't know since I have never "collected" them.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The term environmental damage is used to cover several things : having been buried in the ground, PVC contamination, heavy and excessive toning, direct contact with a multitude of chemicals, just to name a few. It's a catch-all phrase describing damage caused by literally anything in the environment.

    As for what to do with that coin ? It looks to me that damage has already been done and if left alone, meaning if not dipped, it will definitely continue to get steadily worse, no matter what else you do.
     
  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Doug, you ever have much luck dipping to remove layers? I tried it with mixed success. A "solution" for this coin could be a dip in a diluted mixture to only remove some of the toning if the OP really wanted to try to keep it "toned". In my experience what happens, though, is the worst of both worlds, the pretty stuff goes away and the dark stuff just lightens up a bit. I had a couple of coins turn out pretty, the rest had to be redipped to white, so I abandoned the idea.

    I am not positive this coin has corrosion underneath. I am more 50/50. I do think, though, with PERFECT conditions it can be stopped. Its just hard to maintain such conditions. :( If someone thinks its worth a premium as is I would slab it and sell it and buy myself a lighter specimen.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Toning can't be stopped, at least not with the current options we have available. The best that can ever be done is to slow it down. But once toning has reached a tipping point, and I believe this coin has, slowing it down will do no good.

    At that point you either completely remove the toning or you allow the damage to continue and get worse.

    It's kinda like gangrene, once it is present you either amputate the affected appendage, or you die.
     
  14. ocjoe949

    ocjoe949 Active Member

    Thank you for all the help and terminology clarifications. I think for the meantime I will put it in an airtite. I got as many different suggestions here than I did in person. If anyone else has any more ideas or suggestions id love to hear them. Thanks again to all for your help on this one.
     
  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Before you put it into a holder, I would rinse with water, isopropyl alcohol, and then acetone , in that order and allow to air dry. I think there is a good chance that some of the color may be from material on the surface. If is is, re-evaluate, but if not, no harm done.
     
  16. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Wouldn't you want to rinse the coin in distilled water after the acetone bath?
     
  17. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I was going to suggest an acetone bath myself just to see what may fall off naturally.
     
  18. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    Could be some beautiful toning gone too far, to the point of pitting/corrosion – worth melt. Once the toning is where you want it, seal it in an Air-Tite.
     
  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I assume you're about a general rinse; if so, no.... it's not necessary.
     
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  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    No, the acetone will evaporate off 100% taking any moisture with it, so why add water back on for nothing except bad things. Contrary to many things such as detergents, etc., but pure acetone goes completely.
     
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  21. ocjoe949

    ocjoe949 Active Member

    Well I'm going to look on the bright side.... as soon as I find it. :)
     
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