Opinions on the grade of this Peace dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by nesvt, Jan 9, 2006.

  1. nesvt

    nesvt Coin Hoarder

    Opinions on grade? The color in my photo is a little off. Need to play with the white balance. I'm going to send it off to ANACS and get it graded and slabbed with the VAM number (1'o').

    edited: just removed the sepia color with some post processing software

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  3. B12

    B12 Coin Hoarder

    Nice coin.I would say EF-40.Maybe a little higher.;) B12
     
  4. YNcoinpro_U.S.

    YNcoinpro_U.S. New Member

    It's got an odd color to it, then again you did say the color balance was a little off. Nice variety and cool die breaks all over the place. I'll agree with
    B12 with the EF-40 maybe higher.
     
  5. nesvt

    nesvt Coin Hoarder

    That's why I usually use the scanner! My photos are horrible.

    The coin is uncirculated. It's at least MS63, possibly 64. Going to send it out later this week.
     
  6. B12

    B12 Coin Hoarder

    I was WAY OFF!:eek: :eek: B12
     
  7. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    How about MS-64

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  8. B12

    B12 Coin Hoarder

    I saw some luster,but hardly any to make it in Mint State!Plus I saw some scattered marks on it so that's why I said that grade.So ashamed of myself...LOL.:D B12
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm no Peace expert, but that coin didn't even look like it had a very hard time inside the bag, much less ever being out of it and into someone's pocket. The way the highlights play on the highest hair and feather details isn't consistent with having been rubbed between somebody's fingers.

    Nicely cracked die. VAM? I assume the 1 is the giveaway?

    Oh, yeah, my rookie opinion is an easy 64.
     
  10. nesvt

    nesvt Coin Hoarder

    It's really my photo that is way off! I took it in a hotel room. Now my wife has my camera.

    It's a VAM 1'o'...

    1 O II 1 - B2a (Die Chip Above 1) I-2 R-6
    Obverse II 1– Small oblong die chip at top right above 1 with fine die crack extending right to neck and left to IN.
     
  11. B12

    B12 Coin Hoarder

    So now I know it's UNC,I'm would go with MS-63.;) B12
     
  12. b.j.

    b.j. Senior Member

    I would say MS 62 or 63. Good VAM!
     
  13. wyattreally

    wyattreally New Member

    I'm I right in suggesting that all Peace dollars have that 'soft' look. I have never that doesn't look like it has a shallow strike.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, I guess I'd have to see it in hand, because based on the pics I'd say the coin is AU53.

    Now this is a question because I honestly have no idea - but does the VAM description say the die break goes all the way around the coin - because this one does. Is it possible this a different VAM than the one you described ?
     
  15. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    That is the biggest die crack I have ever seen.
     
  16. nesvt

    nesvt Coin Hoarder

    Usually I can link to the ashmore site for a comparison photo of the VAM. Unfortunately there isn't a picture of the VAM 1'o' on Ash's site. I have a photo in the VAM updates and it matches exactly. It's copyrighted, so I can't scan it and post. There are even later die states where the break over the "1" is slightly larger.

    Here is a photo I took the same night under the same lighting. I'm not blaming it all on the conditions. My photo skills are poor (which leaves lots of room for improvement ;) ). This is a 22-D VAM 1D with a break at the Y in LIBERTY. Along with the small chunk, you can see the die broke and is pulling away from the rest of the coin. PCGS gave it an MS64 and the coin I posted above (the 1'o') looks even better in hand.

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  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

  18. tcore

    tcore Coin Collector

    That is an absolutely HUGE die crack. I agree, I've never seen one bigger. I also have the same question along with GD...aren't all of those shiny areas on the high points wear? Maybe not, as I'm not accustomed to looking at Peace dollars. I also agree with the comment about Peace dollars always seeming weak. Even on your coin, which is one of the nicer I've seen, the legend on the reverse seems incredibly weak. That's part of why I think it's hard to grade these. Were all Peace dollars weakly struck or was the engraving on the top legend of the reverse just very shallow?
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm basing my grade opinion (and remember I'm a rookie at this) on the mottled characteristic of what we're debating as "wear." The light plays inconsistently on it; if it were actual wear I believe it would be of a smoother appearance. Further, the same mottled appearance is seen on the reverse in areas which wouldn't normally wear on a high AU coin, on the lower feathers and the back of the leg. What I see is removal of the original finish by other coins in a bag - sharper-edged contacts than would be caused by rubbing against cloth or fingers.

    Again, I reiterate that I'm hardly an expert, and the photograph itself could be a factor. In this case, I just don't think so.
     
  20. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    I don't see this as a mint coin. I see wearing on the hair.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yes, many Peace dollars were weakly struck. But as a general rule the '23 was one of the better years for strike. I think this one in particular is weak on the reverse because of the obverse die breaking. But the weak strike had nothing to do with my opinion as to grade.

    The devices on Peace dollars are not frosty like they are on Morgans. So what I would normally attribute as a break in luster from bag marks on the device of a Morgan doesn't get the same allowance on Peace dollars. Normally it takes a bit more than 2 coins rubbing together in a bag to produce those shiny spots on Peace dollars. All the same, I could be wrong. As I said, need to see the coin in hand to be sure.

    But any way ya look at it - a cool coin ;)
     
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