Old Dies

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Penny Fanatic, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. Penny Fanatic

    Penny Fanatic Seated Half Collector

    Does anyone know what happens to U.S. coin dies after they have seen their use? This goes for any U.S. coin die used, be it new, old, dies for proofs, bullion, etc.

    Thanks for whatever knowledge y'all share on the subject!
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. krispy

    krispy krispy

    Destroyed -or- in the case of state quarters, turned into collector items sold by the Mint.
     
  4. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    Old coin dies never die, they just fade away....
     
  5. proofartoncircs

    proofartoncircs Junior Member

    There was a bunch of 1968 S proof dies sold for scrap. Then the coin folk got ahold of them. The design was defaced by melting, but some had quite a bit of detail left.
     
  6. blsmothermon

    blsmothermon Member

    Nowadays, as with the state quarters they completely mill off the face of the die leaving only a flat stub (first pic). There are a few that the have simply defaced as seen in the second photo.

    DSCN0803.JPG coindiea.jpg
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Texas John

    Texas John Collector of oddments

    Dies that are not completely defaced have been used to create fake errors.
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Now that they have stopped selling coin and die sets I would imagine the grind the face off and then sell them as scrap metal. Whether they do it privately or via public auction through the GSA I don't know.
     
  9. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    i have several dies at home.. i love them there just a reminder of what they went threw to make a coin.. i love'm
     
  10. Dollar1948

    Dollar1948 New Member

    Id love to have an old die as a paper weight on my desk...even if they put an X through it..
     
  11. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    personally me if i owned a die with a face on it id keep it..
     
  12. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    i want it i would trade all 6 of my dies and my state quarters set fo that die..
     
  13. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

    Modern times, as far back as 1972, coin dies were simply defaced with a blow torch, melting off the coin’s striking surface and sold as scrap metal. After a hoard of lightly defaced dies came to market, the Mint began to melt the coin dies and recycle the highly desirable die steel. In a change of concept, the State Quarter Program dies were sold with ground off striking surfaces, much to the chagrin of collectors.

    Cancelled US Mint coin dies with chisel , grinding wheel or saw marks, typically in a “X” pattern, are highly collectable and command a premium.
     
  14. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Sorry that wouldn't come close. Those 1996 Olympic dies with the X cancel are expensive
     
  16. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    It is believed that a lot of these find there way to china where they are re-engraved to make counterfeits. This is why the mint no longer sells these to the public.
     
  17. Siwash

    Siwash Senior Member

    Me too. Great idea.
     
  18. Texas John

    Texas John Collector of oddments

    I bid 100 quatloos.
     
  19. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

  20. Texas John

    Texas John Collector of oddments

    The reverse is an obvious fake, even to one who doesn't specialize in Morgans. The "CC" isn't even close to what the real mint mark looks like.

    There's a certain cunning in selling coins minted from "defaced" counterfeit dies.
     
  21. blsmothermon

    blsmothermon Member

    The whole thing is an obvious fake to me. It looks like the cuts are incuse...wrong direction. I agree with Tx John about the mint mark. Overall, it looks like a decent quality cast replica that someone took a chisel to.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page