OK. This has to be something really good... (1878 Morgan DDO/DDR)

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  1. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    So, I'm going through a consignment, and immediately I notice that this particular coin has strong doubling on the obverse and reverse. It's a shame it's been heavily cleaned...because I have a feeling this could have been a super valuable coin. It very well may STILL be worth checking out.

    I'm going to go check out the VAMWorld site and see if I can figure out which one it is...but maybe a Morgan expert here can spot it right off the bat.


    1878 Morgan Dollar

    1878 Morgan Dollar.jpg

    Obverse Doubling - E PLURIB

    1878 Morgan Dollar - E PLURIB.jpg

    Obverse Doubling - Stars

    1878 Morgan Dollar - Stars.jpg

    Obverse Doubling/Marker - Eyelid

    1878 Morgan Dollar - Eye.jpg

    Reverse Doubling - ONE DOLLAR

    1878 Morgan Dollar - ONE DOLLAR.jpg
     
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  3. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    Cool die crack through E Pluribus too! Too bad it was harshly cleaned.
     
  4. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Tons of die cracks. Tons of doubling on both sides. Has to be something important.
     
  5. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    At first glance I thought this might be the VAM 5, but the die cracks don't really match up - HOWEVER...according to the VAMWorld site, the feathers on the sides of the legs are unique to this VAM. Maybe it is a VAM5.
     
  6. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Hmm...doesn't have the blob by the F in OF on the reverse, but it does have the extra metal and I believe (hard to tell under the scratches) the die scratches on the bridge of the nose.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Have fun searching VW. You can start with the 8TF Short Nock.

    Chris
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Nope, it says that the "engraved wing feathers" are unique to the A1c reverse, not to the VAM-5.

    Try not to get in the habit of using die cracks as PUP's because they can change with each strike.

    Chris
     
  9. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    True, I should have thought of that (about the die cracks.) Definitely misread that statement on the A1c feathers.
     
  10. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Well, I've looked through all the VAM's associated with the A1c reverse, and the closest to this coin is VAM5. The doubling isn't as strong on the obverse (example: around PLURIBUS) on this coin as it shows on VAMWorld.

    I need an adult. (ha!)
     
  11. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    If it helps anyone, I've circled where there is a die chip in front of the eye (which doesn't exactly match any a1c reverse VAM's)

    1878 Morgan Dollar - Eye copy.jpg
     
  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I hate trying to attribute the 1878. Maybe John @messydesk can help. He's pretty good at it.

    Chris
     
  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

  14. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Chris ya hit the nail on the head.
     
  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    You got that right
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Why don't you kids leave this man a positive feedback for his time here ...
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It's OK; the rest of VAMming knows messydesk's value. :)

    VAMworld has a good-enough 8TF Attribution Guide so there's no reason to get one wrong.

    http://www.vamworld.com/1878-P-2012_attribution_guide
     
  18. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Nice find i bet they did not know what they had
     
  19. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Quite often, I don't even realize what I have until time (and newly acquired knowledge) allows me the opportunity to make a discovery. :)
     
  20. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    How does that work taking consignment s?? What's the process..?
     
  21. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Well, when I take a consignment, I always check for varieties that might increase the value of the coins I sell for someone. Sometimes it's before I image them, often, it's while I'm imaging them and I notice something a bit off.

    But I usually just enjoy the learning process and the thrill of finding something cool like the coin above :)
     
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