Oh, snap... I WANT this! Can't bid, though. :-(

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Estimate is 200 EUR. I'll bet it goes for more.

    Alas, I shall be on the sidelines. I just can't swing it right now.

    But wow... check it out... Leopold "the Hogmouth" ... a great cityscape... then all those little medallions with ten captured fortresses on the reverse! Plus, it's big, at 40 mm, but not too big to fit into a standard PCGS holder.

    If one of you grabs this, you will have my congratulations and envy.

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  3. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    That is an awesome medallion.
    I wonder if "The Hogmouth" was used while Leopold was still alive.
     
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  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't know anything about this kind of stuff but that's really cool. Makes me want to go and look up all the history. I looked up just one fort and could not quit reading. Really fun.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The nickname? Not to his face, I'd wager!
     
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  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Not my coin. but I had to get a picture of it.
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yeah, I need a Hogmouth, so I was browsing coins like that, when I saw this medal.
     
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  8. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    A clear demonstration of the results of "keeping it in the family"!
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Maybe there's time to sell one or two of my US coins, so I can bid.
     
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  10. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Here is mine and it's a "box" Thaler

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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh! Those miniatures are awesome! I had a friend on Collectors Universe discover that one of his pieces was a box thaler.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @Zohar444 - I respectfully solicit your opinion on this, since I know you've got the clout in this category. Hypothetically speaking, IF I were to sell enough stuff over the weekend to make a play for this, what ballpark range do you think I should bid in, if at all? I'll be the first to admit I know next to nothing here, except I love this design (and I could use a Hogmouth in the Eclectic Box, and some larger pieces.)
     
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  13. Hermann Watzlawik

    Hermann Watzlawik Well-Known Member

    Hello,
    Segedin is a city in Hungaria called Szeged, Fünfkirchen = Pécs, Simonsturm = Simontornya, Siklos = Siklós, Pest = today part of Budapest capital of Hungaria,
    Kaposvár another Hungarian city
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Fünfkirchen = Pécs

    Interesting. I don't speak German, but understand enough to know that "Fünf Kirchen" literally means "five churches". So I suppose Fünfkirchen/Pécs had five churches at one time.

    Checking Wikipedia, I found:
     
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  15. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That is cool. Hopefully, you can snatch it up.

    @Zohar444 collection of Hogmouth got me to get several smaller denominations of hoggy in the late 2000s.
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I've had some Hoggy minors in the past. Some of the small denomination coins can be had even in Mint State on a modest to middling budget. Not Zohar-class material, though!
     
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  17. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Great eye, as always, Lord M! Just a stunning piece right there my friend (wish I could swing it myself).
    My first foray into the world of the Hog's mouth was a much more humble one. Here's a sweet 3 I picked up from Frank Robinson.
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    Leopold I (The Hogsmouth)
    3 Kr Silesia 1700 F+
    Obv: Laureate portrait facing
    right in an inner circle, value in a
    frame below the bust.
    Lettering: LEOPOLDVS D G R I S
    (3) A G H B REX
    Rev: Crowned double headed
    imperial eagle in an inner cirlce.
    Mint mark below in legend, date
    divided above.Lettering: ARCHID
    AVS (CB) DVX BVR SIL
     
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  18. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Hi all and @lordmarcovan - box thalers with inserts are very neat and there are varieties of them. I do not have a clue as to price, yet this should come much lower than a Thaler's price. My guess, 30% or so. So if the Taler is worth $500 in middle tier grade, then value should be $150-200. I may be off, yet I can't imagine this being more than this.

    Separately, I have that Hogmouth medal:

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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @Zohar444 -

    The box thaler topic was introduced by @Chris B. (And I don't mind at all- it was very cool.)

    But I was interested in your opinion of the medal in the OP.

    Why am I not surprised that you have a stunning specimen strike? Wow.

    No. Make that WOW.
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Searching that "Montenuovo-975" on the Zohar specimen's label, I found another one listed at fixed price.

    And comparing that one to the example in the original post suggests that 1) the auction estimate of the piece in the OP is likely way low, as is so often the case, and 2) even if I scrambled to sell some stuff in order to allow myself a bid, I would almost certainly lose.

    Oh well. One day, perhaps.
     
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  21. Bayern

    Bayern Active Member

    Very nice medal. Definitely would not hurt to see if you can sell some coins to try for this.
    As for hogmouth coinage, so far i do not have a thaler, but do have several of 3,
    6 kreuzer. (I think maybe a 15 kreuzer, as well). My only Habsburg thaler is one of Ferdinand II.
    Good luck, and hope things work out to where you can get this medal :happy:
     
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