...Of 3rd Century emperors...Carinus..

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  1. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...this guy had tons of problems...and i'm purdy sure he wasn't as bad as they said... another down, several to go :)

    POST YOUR COINS N COMMENTS PEEPS! :) Carinus 003.JPG Carinus 005.JPG Carinus as Augustus, antoninianus, 283-285. Ticinum mint. Principi Ivventvt reverse, Carinus holding globe & septer/spear, captive at left foot. 23mm 3.61gms. ref. RIC Vb-302.
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice one, @ominus1 !

    CARINUS

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    RI Carinus 282-285 CE BI Potin Tet 19mm 8.1g Alexandria Egypt 19mm Athena Seated holding Nike
     
  4. Bing

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  5. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Great coin and patina has nice eye appeal looks like you could get some more of the crud off if you soak it for a while.
     
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  6. gogili1977

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  8. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Is that Carinus a mule? PRINCIPI IVVENTVT reverse types were typically reserved for Caesars, but this one is for Carinus as Augustus. I wonder if the reverse was intended for his brother Numerian, who was Caesar for a while before Carus elevated him to full co-Augustus.
     
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    There are two threads going now that address the family of Carus. I am posting this to both because it links to a website on the family. The other is here:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/carus-sons-numerian-carinus.366468/

    In the short three years of Carus, Carinus, and Numerian their titles on coins underwent several changes. With this post I announce a site on their coins and how they are dated, "Roman Coins of the Emperors Carus, Carinus, and Numerian, 282-285."
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/

    One of my favorites on that page is this one of Carus spelled with a K, which was only used very early in his reign.

    CarusPAXEXERCITIwK88245.jpg

    Carus
    Probably struck sole reign, end of August 282 to autumn 282
    23 mm. 3.86 grams.
    IMP C M AVR KARVS PF AVG
    PAX EXERCITI
    Pax standing left holding flower and standard.
    VIXXI

    RIC 73, Ticinum mint.

    If you have a coin of theirs with a reverse legend ending AVG, AVGG, or AVGGG, it has chronological information which is in two tables in that article.

    Take a look: http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/
     
  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    That's interesting and helpful. Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge!

    With the help of your table, I can date my Carus to August 282 to autumn 283, and my Carinus and Numerian to Feb/Mar 283 to Nov 284. (I hesitated to show my coins her since they are much less attractive than the examples on @Valentinian 's website – but well, let's do it nonetheless.)

    Rom – Carus, antoninian, Jupiter und Kaiser, neu.png
    Carus, Roman Empire, Antoninianus, 282/3 AD, Cyzicus mint. Obv: IMP C M AVR CARVS PF AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Carus right. Rev: CLEMENTIA TEMP, Carus (left) receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter (right), B in exergue. 21mm, 4.08g. Ref: RIC V-2 Cyzicus, 118c.

    Rom – Carinus, antoninian, Clementia.png
    Carinus, Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 283–284 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: IMP C M AVR CARINVS PF AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Carinus r. Rev: VIRTVS AVGG; Carinus (left) receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter or Carus (right); in field below, H; in exergue, XXI. 20mm, 3.63g. Ref: RIC V-2 Antioch 325.

    Rom – Numerian, Antoninian, Jupiter (neues Foto).png
    Numerian, Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 283–284 AD, Rome mint. Obv: IMP NVMERIANVS AVG; bust of Numerian, radiate, cuirassed, r. Rev: IOVI VICTORI; Jupiter, standing l., holding Victory on globe in r. hand and sceptre in l. hand; at foot, eagle; in exergue, KAB. 22mm, 3.86g. Ref: RIC V Carus 410.
     
  11. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    My favourite Carinus is definitely this denarius: laureate, tiny, and rare:

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    The betting is good that it was a special issue for when he was promoted to Augustus in Feb/Mar 283.
     
  12. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    That is a bit odd, isn't it! According to Warren's page, though, Carinus and Numerian were promoted to Augustus at the same time, so the Numerian-on-the-reverse explanation doesn't solve the mystery. Just a representation of the junior emperor, then?
     
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