Odd 1963 Franklin -- clip, planchet defect, something else?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by -jeffB, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I bought a small lot of silver halves, and in the seller's photos this one looked like it had been rim-dented or otherwise abused; I bid accordingly. But when I got it in hand, this is what I found:

    obv.JPG rev.JPG edge1.JPG

    It has clearly circulated a good bit, and looks like it got a small rim ding just below 3:00 on the obverse. But I see a pretty clear Blakesley effect, especially at the L of Liberty. Given the extent of the weakness around TRUST and AMERICA, I wondered if there might be some sort of void inside the planchet -- but now I'm wondering if that's just normal for a small ragged clip, as the metal flows toward the collar instead of into the devices.

    Weight is 12.04g, about .30-.35g less than other specimens with comparable wear.

    Anyone else seen something similar?
     
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  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Lol ..................
     
  5. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    Definitely CF, mail it to me. ;-)

    Thank you.
     
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  6. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Definitely looks good enough for me to have considered it a genuine mint error if it had been presented at my table.

    Not only is there Blakeskey Effect, but also characteristic weakening of the legend local to the clip, and tapering of the upset rim.
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Pretty interesting. The fissure in the planchet makes me think, of a cutting error, the clip looks straight to me.
     
  8. u812?

    u812? Better-Known Member

    Cue, for anybody to have nerve to name that!
     
  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I wish I had the equipment to non-destructively test how far the fissure extends into the coin, but I sure don't. I'd be willing to risk contact ultrasound imaging on a coin that's already this worn, but I don't know anything about machines that would work at this scale (essentially ultrasound microscopy).
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    If it was a cutting error the fissure was made by the tool, and it isn't a void in the planchet.
     
  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    As I stare more closely at the edge-on image, I wonder whether there's a "fissure" at all, or whether it's just an artifact of the way metal flowed into the void between the planchet and the collar.
     
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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That could be, cool find, I hope Fred or Mike will help with some of their knowledge
     
  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I'm still leaning towards a planchet defect on the edge because I think the the pressure during striking would not be enough to fill some of the reeding and still leave the fissure behind it. I also think that a void extending slightly into the coin would explain very weak letters in TRUST.

    However, your idea of a ragged clip with some partial filling of the rim is certainly a reasonable explanation worth considering
     
  14. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    it's a ragged end or end of strip clip.
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Good enough for me. :) Thanks!
     
  16. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Hahahaha
     
  17. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    It looks to me like a defect or a clipped for sure. Exhibits blankelsy effect
    Disc clip maybe?
     
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