Occluded gas bubble? Please help!

Hi again everyone! I hope you've all been having a great weekend! I've been looking over some of my more recent pickups (hard to take my eyes off those 2-cent pieces) but I started looking into what possible issues this 1956-D quarter has.

I've essentially ruled out the possibility of a die gouge or crack because there would be at least a few other specimens somewhat similar to the coin I have. I can't find anything anywhere online that even comes remotely close to these images.

As I was searching planchet flaws I had stumbled upon some sites that referenced (and went into a fair amount of detail about) occluded gas bubbles. I also saw information regarding ruptured gas bubbles, sometimes within the same site. Anyways, I believe this coin has both occluded and ruptured. Please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but I'm kind of stuck at an impasse here without some outside help or assistance.

For now, I'll try to describe the locations of each type in reference to the pictures I can put up, but I may take a video or add other images in the near future, especially if specifications requested regarding individual locations.

1- occluded bubble(s) in a line from "G" in "God" up to "B" in "Liberty"
2- ruptured bubble above "G" and directly beside line of occluded line.
3- ruptured bubble located on jaw line and center of neck (looks flat and scratched, but luster flows right over it)
4- occluded bubble on neck line by Adam's apple, but I'm very much on the fence about this one. The area just looks off to me, in that something isn't right about the proportions I'm accustomed to seeing.

By all means, please feel free to chime in and share your thoughts! I'm doing my best here to figure this one out but I'm just a rookie, especially when it comes to one-of-a-kind things like this!

 

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To me, it looks like the ridges from other quarters left the marks you see on the neck and face. What you see above G is difficult to say because it's very hard to capture depth on camera, and I'm sure it looks different in person. Either way, I'm just going to wait for more experienced people who will probably have a better response than me.

 

That "B" looking mark on his jaw and "S" looking mark on his neck initially just looked like scratches honestly. But once I checked it with my loupe I had noticed that the original mint luster was not disturbed at all and there is nothing visible, by eye, loupe, or scope, that shows PMD on any of the areas I've referenced. There's no brighter marks that a recent scratch would have, and I am honestly stumped on this without some more experienced eyes. Even the LCS I bought it from had given up hope on nailing it down, but I'm relentless (both positive and negative given the particular circumstances) once I put my mind to figuring out a problem, and this is one that I will figure out one way or another! Also, please accept my apologies now for future-me and my previously mentioned handicap.

 

What are those, CT scans?

 

Looks like some PMD to me.

 

When business strikes (like yours) are minted, they are thrown into large vats for storage that will usually contain thousands of coins. They can easily be bounced around causing the reeding to leave marks on other coins. These marks are very common, and I see them all the time. The reason it doesn't look like a recent scratch is because it likely happened within days of when it was minted. Furthermore, when you dent something, like in this case, it doesn't necessarily remove luster. It's like paint; if you dent your car, the paint will still look the same.

 

I think you correct in the assessment of your coin. I suspect that your coin may have a Lamination Vein inside of it that runs from 7:30 to 12:00. These often have gas bubbles trapped in the layers. Looks like a Lam Peel below the first "T" of trust right next to the edge. The lines from the tip of the nose direct to the G of god is quite distinct. Nice write-up.

 

Haha! Nope, just some images from my microscope!

 

Thanks for confirming my thoughts! I've been digging and scouring Google results for a while to come to my conclusion, and it feels reassuring to think that my efforts haven't been fruitless!

 

I certainly appreciate your input, but I've seen things like bag marks and the like, but this is nothing like that. There are raised areas that the luster flows right over, in addition to areas where it appears to have burst (or "ruptured") and has essentially no marks of impact in the immediate vicinity.

Edit to add: Even if we are both right, with some PMD and also occluded and ruptured bubbles, I'm completely happy with getting my hands on this coin!

 

Another thing that I am finishing strange is GW's neck. In the photos, it looks like the back of his neck up to his chin (in an arc) is severely roughed up. But in person, this is hardly noticeable. Maybe a video would better illustrate it? Is there anything that you already know about that causes this... without me having to get a video up?

 

Is it possibly just toning lines? My coin photos sometimes show colors that are to subtle for my eyes to see but the camara defines them well.

 

NO.

ULTRASOUND PICS. Congrat's, someone is a father!!

 

Funny Sensible.

Now to this coin:
* Your coin show a very aged Dies O and R.
* Very light missaligned Die, non collectable.
* Till 1960 when the elecrical melting was start to be use by the Mint, 80% of the silver planchets has those small holes.
* About the occluded gas bubbles: On Silver those gas bubbles are assimilated with near an ex-foliation of the material. And also will be present very near and connected with those exfoliations, what majority name LAM. Other point it is in 100's thousands or perhaps more the 1 Mill Quarters analized, I personally never find one with occluded gas bubble for 1932 to inclusive 1964. After those dated yes but othes process for minting.

Hope will help you.
Silvio

PS. If you use Microscope for pics, took out the lens protection plastic, do not go so close at 1000x and more, and do not post pics of the micro screen. Try to use the computer and the memory card.

 

Not to sound overly rude, but are you saying that this can't be occluded and ruptured simply because you've never found one? If this were just from worn dies, I would expect that there would be at least several hundred coins similar to this one. The fact of it is, there are literally zero other specimens like this one... at least that I have found throughout all of my searching. By all means, please feel free to share some similar images for this specific mintage if you find it online and I will humbly accept being mistaken (again).

Unfortunately, I purchased a relatively cheap scope that I absolutely will not install the software for on my computer. It's just not going to happen. However, I will look into the SD card aspect of transferring images this weekend, as I recently located my unused card that I couldn't find. Also, I am going to be experimenting further with some new photography techniques that I learned of from here, so that might help provide some more-detailed pictures for review.

All of that aside, I do sincerely appreciate everyone's help in trying to get to the bottom of this. It's one of those times that I just keep digging deeper in hopes that I'll eventually find the answer or the whole collapses on me!

 

It’s simply die wear. The dies were past it. That’s what all the wrinkling is about, these are shot dies.

 

If you want to find out the true, just send to Mike Diamond to analize ot to any TPG you want.

 

So why am I having such a difficult time locating even one picture (aside from my own) of a coin like this? I would think someone somewhere would have uploaded images of something like this to try to figure it out at some point over these many decades. The simple answer is not always the best, IMHO.

 

It will be in my next outbound package, for sure. Then they can fumble over it just like I am and send it back details LOL

 

Send them those CT scans, I'm sure it will help them out. Do let us know the verdict you got back for your money.