numerian ant

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  1. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    here's another antoninianus i picked up, and another guy i can cross off my list...

    numerian

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    Numerian, 283-284, Billon Antoninianus
    O: IMP C M AVR NVMERIANVS AVG Radiate and cuirassed bust right. R: VNDIQVE VICTORES Emperor standing left, holding globe and scepter. In exergue, KAS. Rome mint, RIC 423, 24 mm, 4.5g

    pretty solid ant, well centered and struck well on a nice sized flan. a tad o wear, specially on the obverse...but good silvering.

    feel free to post you coins of numerian!
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coin with a very nice reverse.

    Here are my Numerian
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    NUMERIAN
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: M AVR NVMERIANVS NOB C, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: MARS VICTOR, Mars advancing right with spear & trophy, C to right
    Struck at Lugdunum, 284 AD
    3.5g, 22.5mm
    RIC 353c
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    NUMERIAN
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: M AVR NVMERIANVS NOB C, Radiate, draped, & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: PRINCIPI IVVENTVT, Numerian standing left, holding globe & sceptre, KAS in ex.
    Struck at Rome, Feb, 283 AD
    3.2g, 22mm
    RIC 363, C 66

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    NUMERIAN
    Tetradrahm
    OBVERSE: A K M A NOVMEPIANOC CEB, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: Athena seated left, holding Nike and sceptre; shield below chair, L-B (date) across field (Year 2)
    Struck at Alexandria, Egypt, 283/4 AD
    19mm; 6.74g
    Köln 3192-3193; Dattari 5607, Emmett 4013; Sear 12272

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    NUMERIAN
    AE Tetradrachm
    OBVERSE: A K M AN NOVMEPIANOC K C, laureate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: LA (year 1) above eagle standing facing between two vexilla, head right with wreath in its beak
    Struck at Alexandria, Egypt, 283 AD
    9.3g, 20mm
    Milne 4674
     
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  5. Amos 811

    Amos 811 DisMember

    Nice. Now i want one.
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I don't think the OP coin has much wear. The flan was so thin and broad that there was not enough metal to fill both the dies and, in this case, the reverse took iits share at the expense of Numerian's ear. hi explains why there is remaining silvering on the 'worn' high points.

    My coins below also show variations on this theme. Central weakness is evenly divided on the first example but the second seems to have had slightly higher relief dies resulting on a more severe flatness affecting both sides but much worse on the legs of the reverse figure. This situation is more commonly seen on boardwalk margin coins like these since smaller diameter coins with the same weight would be thick enough to fill both dies. Numerian seems to have a lot of these wide ones. Perhaps one of our physicists will explain how the metal flowed on these and if they can tell which side was up when struck.
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    So, what is a proper grade for coins like this? They might have little enough detail to be just Fine but little enough actual wear to be EF. The OP coin? I'd call it 'a pretty solid ant' just as it was by its rightfully proud new owner.
     
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  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    ahhh.....more of the wabi, and less of the sabi...I see...

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    I forgot to mention an interesting piece of information, on a 2x2 stapled flip was written "c.o.i.n. auction sale june 15-18, 1972". many coins have been on sale form the same dealer I purchased this coin (and the probus ant and parthian coin) on consignment. Likely a collector has passed away and their collection is being sold off. probably the last time this coin was sold I was 7 months old. maybe someone in diapers today will be it's next owner.
     
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  8. EDDOP

    EDDOP Well-Known Member

    Hi Chris on the obverse IMP NVMERIANVS AVG not IMP CM AVR NVMERIANVS AVG ;)
     
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  9. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    Nice one Chris.
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  10. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Some lovely coins here as usual...

    Here are a couple of my Numerian Lugdunum coins.

    Numerian
    Obv:– IMP C NVMERIANVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right, holding sceptre over left shoulder
    Rev:– FELICITAS AVGG, Felicitas standing left, holding caduceus, leaning on column
    Minted in Lugdunum (B | _) Emission 8 Officina 2. 1st quarter A.D. 284
    Ref:– Cohen -. Bastien 588 (3 examples cited). RIC 384 var (Not listed with this bust type in RIC)

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    Obv:– IMP NVMERIANVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– PIETAS AVGG, Pietas standing right, holding patera over altar
    Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field) Emission 8 Officina 3. First half A.D. 284
    Reference:– Cohen 61. Bastien 600 (9 examples). RIC 397 Bust Type F
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    Obv:- IMP C NVMERIANVS AVG, Radiate bust right wearing imperial mantle and holding eagle-tipped scepter in right hand
    Rev:- MARS VICTOR, Mars advancing right with spear and trophy
    Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field)
    References:- RIC - (not listed with this bust type in RIC). Bastien 562 (3 examples cited)
    The consular busts are scarce for this dynasty.

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  11. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Or perhaps a scarcer reverse type?

    Numerian
    Obv:– IMP C NVMERIANVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– PACATO-R ORBIS, Emperor advancing right, holding shield and sword, captive, cowering beneath
    Minted in Lugdunum (C in exe) Emission 9 Officina 3. Summer A.D. 284
    Reference:– Cohen 41 (30 F). Bastien 618 (2 examples). RIC Unlisted

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  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    ooops! thanks ed, i got it mixed up with my probus ant.

    nice lookin' coins everyone, and thanks for replies!
     
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  13. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wow, thats a beauty Chris. Very nice.

    Never posted a newish one I got months ago. Only Randy has seen it. Got it mainly for the reverse type.

    Has a very thick/dark patina.

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    Numerian (283 - 284 A.D.)
    Æ Antoninianus
    O: IMP NVMERIANVS AVG, radiate, draped bust right.
    R: VNDIQVE VICTORES, Numerian standing left, holding globe and sceptre, captive on each side.
    Rome mint
    22mm
    4.07g
    RIC 423, Cohen 120

    An important reverse type fallaciously
    claiming 'victories on Every Side'.
     
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  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet Numerian, my friend ... a real eye pleaser!!

    *sigh* ... I do not have a Numerian "yet" (thanks for reminding me!!)


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    randygeki Coin Collector

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