non error variations

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  1. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Which u.s. coin has the most variations that are not errors or double dies ?


    My answer

    The 1982 centsThe 7 Business Strike Varieties:
    • 1982 Large Date Copper
    • 1982 Large Date Copper plated Zinc
    • 1982 Small Date Copper
    • 1982 Small Date Copper plated Zinc
    • 1982 D Large Date Copper
    • 1982 D Large Date Copper plated Zinc
    • 1982 D Small Date Copper plated Zinc

    There is also a 1982 S Large Date Copper ProofBackgroundNot surprisingly, our government makes a handsome profit when it creates coins and paper
    money. This profit on coins, less the cost of production, is called "seigniorage" and of great
    concern to the government. For example, it might cost a few cents to make a quarter, so
    Uncle Sam pockets the rest as profits.
    In the early 1980's, with the increasing costs of labor, dies, and metals, it was costing the
    government nearly a penny to make a penny. This low profit situation became intolerable.
    Unable to get Congress to approve eliminating the cent, the mint decided to make it out of the
    cheapest junk metal that would still work in toll machines and other applications. In addition,
    mint officials didn't want to upset the public in any way. Thus, the metal decided upon was to
    be zinc and the cents were to have the very thin copper plating. The mint was especially
    happy to get away from copper because the public tended to hoard cents when copper prices
    were up.
    1982 was chosen as the transition year to put this change into effect, and many millions of
    solid copper and copper-coated zinc cents were produced in 1982 so as to discourage saving
    or hoarding by the public. Stashing and hoarding of coins is always the greatest fear of mint
    officials, and one of the reasons why they are sometimes called before Congress to explain coin
    shortages.Why did the mint Create 7 Varieties?They didn't. The die varieties were noticed by coin collectors, and since collectors normally
    relish small details, these varieties became popularized and now show up in coin albums that
    way. Remember, the mint stays away from anything that causes the public to hoard coins
    and disavows all varieties, even if collectors see the obvious. The mint's job is to keep coins
    moving in and out of jars, desks, etc. Identifying the 7 VarietiesThe term copper, bronze and brass are all used interchangeably, but not necessarily correctly,
    to describe our cents. I will use the word "copper". Remember, all cents before 1982 are
    solid copper and cents after 1982 are copper-coated zinc. Cents of 1982 are the only ones in
    question.
    First of all, 1982 cents can be Philadelphia mint (no mintmark) or Denver mint (D mintmark).
    Secondly, 1982 cents can be a large date or a small date. One of the best ways to distinguish
    is to look at the number "2" in the date. The large date "2" has a thick, fat base with no
    curve. The small date "2" has a delicate base with a slow curve at it's base.
    Thirdly, the solid copper cents weigh approximately 3 grams, while the copper-coated zinc
    ones weigh 2.5 grams. For this you would need a scale to weigh the difference.































    Build your own Coin Scale - it's easy!!!You can make your own scale that will differentiate between ZINC and COPPER 1982 cents. All
    you need is a tongue depressor, a wooden rod, glue, and cent dated before 1982 and a cent
    dated after 1982.















    Place the round wooden rod under the tongue depressor as shown. You must find the
    correct position to place the rod using the two cents (one copper dated before 1982, and one
    zinc dated after 1982). The rod must be place in a spot that makes the depressor go up
    when a copper coin is placed on the end, and say put when a zinc coin is placed on the end.

    See Below:















    Once you have calibrated the scale, use the glue to attached the wooden rod. Test your two
    cents again, and draw a line at the best spot to place the cents.

    Now, try some 1982 cents. The 1982 cents that make the scale go down are copper, and the
    ones that do not make the scale go down are zinc





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    Ok there is also two major errors listen in the cherrypickers guide volume 1, 5th eedition , the fs-01-1982-101(034.5) and the fs-01-1982-1801.
     

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  3. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Apparently the photos copy/didn't transfer, but still, you may want to cite your source.
     
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  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @kaosleeroy108

    Your question is misleading. Doubled dies are varieties. Also, you asked others to name a U.S. coin, not a particular date. This could lead others to think that a "type" coin would be applicable. If we were to exclude just errors, then there would be a good argument for the Morgan dollar having the most varieties.

    Chris
     
  5. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Thank you Chris for the correct information
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    1794 large cents have 70 different varieties. No doubled dies, no errors, it's just the way the dies were made. It's what happens when you makes each die by hand.

    2009 cent has 20 varieties not including errors or doubled dies. 8 business strike quality in Cu plated Zn, 8 with satin finish in bronze, and 4 in proof finish in bronze.
     
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