NGC guess the grade/problem

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by C-B-D, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I tried this one once at PCGS and now one last time at NGC. It's a problem coin according to the pros, but not to me, DARN IT! Just got the result this morning.
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  3. Eric White

    Eric White Active Member

    looks good to me, do see some scratching between bust and date on obverse. I would guess they gave AU details,cleaned maybe?
     
  4. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    AU details, obverse hairlines (old cleaning)
     
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  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    what a beauty. keep it raw then.
     
  6. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Sent it to NNC :p
     
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It'll be an MS66, then.
     
  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    What's going on under the eagle's claw?
     
  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Little black area. Not sure what it is.
     
  10. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Maybe the spot under the F is what they are seeing as a bad removal of something?
     
  11. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    IMO it's been dipped.
    It's missing differential toning in the protected areas.
     
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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Discoloration due to corrosion. Otherwise, it is a planchet defect filled w/black debris. Also note glue residue (yellow-orange) base of shield & around leaves.

    I'm going to bet that the upper reverse has been altered/repaired to hide something. C-B-D will possibly let us know.

    At the least the TPGS's weaseled out and called it cleaned.:jawdrop:
     
  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    AU details - cleaned and tooled?
     
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  14. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Could it be a slag error?...

    Get a toothpick and gently glide the tip across it. Does it feel smooth like its embedded in the surface or does the toothpick jump up and over it like it's on top of the surface?

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  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Just look w/a magnifying glass.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2016
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Curious to see what they both said, and I'm assuming they both said the same thing, but I'm gonna guess altered surfaces.
     
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  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I got dinged on one because of a planchet flaw once, and it had a similar black mark as what I see by the claw, although more unsightly. Sometimes there is evidence of someone having tried to mechanically remove the inclusion, so the presence of one will alert graders to look for other problems there.

    Liberty's cheek almost has "That Look" to it, which would probably be more readily visible in hand when you can tilt the coin around a bit or use a glass.

    Curious as to how the problem was described.
     
  18. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Awesome looking coin, don't listen to those amateurs.

    This is the one I have (love this type and all Capped Busts in general):

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  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    That black stuff was fluff from my sweater while the eagle was on my shoulder.
     
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  20. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I suppose if both grading services says there's a problem, more than likely there is one. But it is a nice looker, regardless.
     
  21. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I also want to guess altered surfaces
     
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