New years GTG

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Pickin and Grinin, Dec 31, 2024.

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What's the grade on the slab?

  1. MS62

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  2. MS63

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. MS64

    5 vote(s)
    38.5%
  4. MS65

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  5. MS66

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  6. MS67

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The slab is what caught my eye not necessarily the coin. Then I saw what made me buy it. By the way the slab was discounted for the reputation.
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    Guess the grade in the poll, and below if you want to guess the slab and what caught my eye.
     
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  3. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I said MS66 just because you said "discounted for the reputation" and we're supposed to guess the grade on the slab. I assumed this means it's way overgraded. I'd give is MS63-64 otherwise. I have no idea what caught your eye or whose slab it is.
     
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  4. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    PR65 DDR 801
    FBL? :D
     
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  5. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    MS60. The bell has a crack in it. :p:D:eek::D:p Happy New Year!
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Maybe it is the wrong set of words, This company started up in the mid 80's and had a different approach to grading.
     
  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    A crack and the writing isn't legible. Why is that women holding a hammer? LOL.
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  8. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Why is she holding that hammer? It's dirty, and needs a harsh cleaning. lol
     
  9. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    That's an interesting guess. How can it be PR when it's a 1961-D?
     
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  10. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

  11. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    Looks like a MS-64/65 borderline to me. I'm not sure about it being FBL or not. The strike is there, but the hits along the lines may disqualify it in the eyes of some grading companies.

    All that being said, I think it's a MS-64 FBL.
     
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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Below is a photo of the original Liberty bell. This bell rang for nearly 100 years before the crack was noticed.
    The Inscription reads:
    Proclaim LIBERTY Throughout all the Land unto all the Inhabitants Thereof Lev. XXV. v X.
    By Order of the ASSEMBLY of the Province of PENSYLVANIA for the State House in PhiladA
    Pass and Stow
    Philada
    MDCCLIII.
    This happens to be the third bell ordered to be hung in Independence Hall. (Pennsylvania State Hall) The first was made in a foundry in England. And had cracked upon arrival.
    John Pass and John Stow took the bell melted it and cast it again.
    City officials in Philadelphia scheduled a public celebration with free food and drink for the testing of the new bell. The sound was not accepted and was mocked. Pass and Stow took the bell and recast it a 2nd time.
    [​IMG]
    By William Zhang - https://www.flickr.com/photos/willzhang05/33650671514/, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=96282122

    Metal workers widened the thin crack to prevent its farther spread and restore the tone of the bell using a technique called "stop drilling". The wide "crack" in the Liberty Bell is actually the repair job! Look carefully and you'll see over 40 drill bit marks in that wide "crack". But, the repair was not successful. The Public Ledger newspaper reported that the repair failed when another fissure developed. This second crack, running from the abbreviation for "Philadelphia" up through the word "Liberty", silenced the bell forever.
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It not a basement slabber. LOL
    @SensibleSal66 and @Barney McRae I don't know what to do with you two.
    read above.
     
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  14. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    LOL! The comment about the crack should have been an obvious (but poor, apparently) attempt at humor. Upon a further review, the crack in the bell should give the grade, UNC Details, damaged. :p:D
     
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  15. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Not FBL.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Well my photos make this coin look in worse condition than it is. Most of the marks are very minor luster grazes. I would say this is a border line 64/65. It is in an accugrade holder that was started in 1984. According to the grade given they gave this a grade of
    A2-65c
    Full brilliant ms65 flat. I am not sure what flat means unless it is the luster which in hand is Satiny.
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    What caught my eye is the RPM. The PU is seen in the second rev photo.
    Here is a better but not great close up.
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    http://varietyvista.com/11 Franklin Halves/RPM Detail Pages/1961DRPM001.htm
     
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  17. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I guessed MS 64 and Accugrade (your clue about the TPG gave it away to me) before the reveal. I think the luster looks good, so not sure why they called it "flat" unless it means something else.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Wow, that's a super early Accugrade holder! The plastic might be worth more than the coin, in this case. Not because of ACG's reputation, of course (which was dismal, as you know), but because that early photoslab has now become collectible in its own right, I would imagine.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it puzzles me also. And there isn't anyone that I know of besides you that would have an answer. Maybe @Burton Strauss III
     
  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Found this. It seems that Alan Hagar moved his business all around the US. Unless these were done at shows. You have Connecticut, (my example), Des Moines, Florida, Long Beach.
    The Photo Cert above says that he was based in Connecticut.
    Defunct TPG Certs & Slabs | Old Slab Holders
     
  21. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I looked at that grade and their explanation. I can only come away with it's a commercial strike, grade 65 and not proof or proof like. A2 is full strike brilliant uncirculated according to their chart. (note the example they use at the bottom of the chart).
     
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