New Variety?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Marshall, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

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    What are my chances that this can be confirmed as a new variety? Is it just too bad to take a leap? I know it's a repeat of the misfit thread, but I was afraid it got lost in the volume. IF, and it's a BIG if, it is confirmed, it would be the goal of my entire fascination in the hobby. I just want to come out of it with something I have added to the hobby.

    I plan to take it to the Houston Money Show next month to see if I can find someone to confirm it.
     
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  3. vnickels

    vnickels Matt Draiss Numismatics & Galleries

    man that's a beater
     
  4. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I certainly do not dispute that.
     
  5. blsmothermon

    blsmothermon Member

    I hate to sound like total idiot, please forgive me. If it was a new variety, in that condition how would you even tell? I can barely even tell that it's a coin, much less date, details, etc.
     
  6. lincolncent

    lincolncent Future Storm Chaser Guy

    I followed the misfit thread somewhat and the coin in question is, in my opinion, able to be determined a new variety. When you are dealing with early early early cents, the varieties are different enough to tell even in low grades.
     
  7. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Sure beats using a microscope just to determine if you have a new variety...
     
  8. vnickels

    vnickels Matt Draiss Numismatics & Galleries

    yeah it is a beatup
     
  9. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

    Marshall, I'm not here to rain on your parade and maybe it is a new variety, but the reality is that EAC (Early American Copper society) has been examining early coppers for almost 45 years and have cataloged just about every variety known to Numismatics. Not only that, the coins they view have diagnostics that have little, to no gray areas due to extreme wear or environmental damage.

    However, do not give up on your quest to determine just what you might have here, stranger things have happened.

    Happy Collecting
     
  10. DionHurst

    DionHurst Member

    I Plan on going to the Houston Money Show, just to get completely off topic! ;-)~
     
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    That is your best bet. Let it run through the experts - I know there are new varieties waiting to be discovered. Good Luck!
     
  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

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    Notice the vertical die crack?

    Now look at the reference coin:

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    Now if this is sufficient for identification, the reverse is good enough to eliminate all known reverse pairings. The position of the leaves on the right are under the uprights of the Left M and R. Reverse DD is the closest match, but not for that obverse. It all hinges on the identification of the obverse by the vertical crack which is quite unique to Obverse 28 of 1798.
     
  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Well I came away from the Houston Money show disappointed in my attempt to get expert advice and opinion.

    The Heritage gentleman was certainly friendly enough, but when he started telling me the coin was too far gone to get an Overton Identification from a third party grader, I knew I was asking the wrong person.

    I did get Cris McCawley (One of the better copper people in the country, but second to his partner Bob Grellman) to look at it and he gave me a firm "maybe, it's in pretty bad shape". I had hoped to see some better known copper people so I might get some consensus, but they either weren't there or I didn't recognize them. It might be good enough for verification, but not discovery.
     
  14. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Sorry to hear that you could not get verification. It would be nice to see a new variety found.
     
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