New Roman Provincial

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wasnt looking for a Tranquillina but since ARs of hers are usually 5 figures and this was very low 2 figures I decided to add it to my collection.


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    Tranquillina (241 - 244 A.D.)
    Æ 21
    Cappadocia, Caesarea Year 7 = 244 AD
    O: CAB TPANKVLLINA AVG,Diademed and draped bust of right.
    R: MHTP KAI B NE ET-Z, Six grain ears bound together.
    6.1g
    21mm
    Syd 618
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I always found it odd how common Tranquillina is in Provincial compared to how rare she was from Rome. I can't explain why.

    Mat, some might benefit if you would explain the reverse legend as quoted here. Much of it is weak or missing on this example but there is a lot shown in very few letters.
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    ooooo - nice
     
  5. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Cool addition Mat. Here one I have of her.


    Tranquillina, Augusta 241-244 A.D., Singara, Mesopotamia

    Bronze AE 26, S 3867, BMC 14, Singara mint, 180°, 241 - 244 A.D.; obverse CAB TPANKVΛΛINA CEB, diademed and draped bust right; reverse CVP CEΠ KOΛ CINΓAPA, veiled and turreted bust of Tyche right, centaur Sagittarius above, discharging bow; rare
     

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  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice one Randy. I was on vcoins looking at more provincials of hers. Didnt see alot of mine. Just the ususual gordian iii/Tranq. bronze.

    @Doug, Dunno Doug, when I got the coin it wasnt all attributed, took wildwinds to get all the ref/legends. It just had Tranquillina, Cappadocia Caesarea Year 7 = 244 AD.
     
  8. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    The coins look different to me. How do you know they are of the same person?
     
  9. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    They were made in different cities. The individual portrayed is the same, but the style dramatically different.
     
  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Nice one Mat, but I thought you were swearing off provincials? :)

    I like yours a lot Randy. I love Tyche reverses. I have a couple of larger ones from Antioch with Tyche and the river god.
     
  11. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Aaaaahh, hence "provincials."
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    MHTP (Metropolis - city) KAI (Carsarea) B (2nd) NE (neocourate) ET-(Year) Z (7)

    Neocourate =
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/neok.html

    M
    y favorite Tranquillina is not in great condition but is unusual in the confusion of its language.

    gi2280b01897lg.jpg

    Your coin is a Greek language provincial CAB TPANKVΛΛINA CEB. CAB is the abbreviation of Sabrina and CEB is Sebasta the Greek version of Augusta. My coin of Deultum was done with Latin legends because Deultum had the honor as a full Colonia of using Latin. The first name is SAB but the ending title should be AVG for Augusta rather than SEB. They transliterated the Greek word into Latin letters rather than using the Latin word as a Colonia should. I like odd coins more than most people do so it seemed right that this one followed me home. I have seen, but do not own, this coin with AVG.
     
  13. froggycoins

    froggycoins Member

    Hi Folks !
    Since i have not been posting for a long time, i will propose the famous couple Gordy/Tranq with in bonus an architectural depiction !
    Here it comes, hoping you enjoy it :)

    anchialosgate121019.jpg

    Coin from Anchialos

    Philippe
     
  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Not so much as of late. Its more affordable for these kind then their silver counterparts. I still havent transitioned to the AS or sestertius. I was planning on adding a few once I finish my lucilla/crispina set. Most likely of those two.

    Thanks for the info Doug. This area of ancients is still new to me like it is to lonegunlawyer. I find the greek lettering for this stuff very tough to learn. Your Tranquillina has an amazing green patina to it. Mine is pretty much what the photo shows.

    So is mine attributed wrong, you say its "
    CAB TPANKVΛΛINA CEB" but wildwinds has it as "CAB TPANKVLLINA AVG". Which is right?


    Beautiful coin Froggy, especially the reverse. Dont see that one often, at least I dont.
     
  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thanks. Yeah, mine was a pain to find info on too.

    Thanks. As always, it is much better in hand. It feels real nice, and heavy.
     
  16. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I like denarii, but a really nice middle/big AE is more appealing to me
     
  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I can't read your coin but the one on Wildwinds seems to read AVG which is wrong in the opposite direction. If Tranquillina is spelled with two lambdas, all the legend should be Greek. Sabrina should be CAB and the title should be CEB. If the name as LL in Latin letters, the first name should be SAB and the last AVG just to be using one language all together. While we are at it the second letter in Tranquillina is R in Latin and rho (P) in Greek. This one can be harder to make out on a low grade coin but consistency was not a big thing it seems.
     
  18. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Took the coin out and looked at it with a loupe, it is AVG, like the wildwinds one. But the left side, 7/8 o clock is too worn. I make out an "A" though.
     
  19. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Whoah, it is getting deep for me. Not bad though, deciphering Greek to determine a coins lineage.
     
  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I have to admit that I do believe those collecting Greek coins should learn the Greek alphabet. In particular, they need to become familiar with the letters that are not the same as in English or Latin. For reading coins there is little need to learn the lower case letters since the idea that cases were needed came after the ancient period was over. You also can skip pronunciation guides and realize that between 600 BC and 1500 AD a lot of things changed. There are a few archaic letters that dropped out along the way and you will pick up some of them when you get a coin bearing one. Greek really is not that hard if you stop with coins. Reading some of the poets is a different matter. The following might help:

    http://www.snible.org/coins/alphabet.html
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=greek%20alphabet
     
  21. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah, Greek is not that hard. At least with Greek you still have vowels. :(
     
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