New Morgans - please look- need feedback on toning

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  1. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    Picked these up today for a very good price. Still bad at the AT/NT thing. The toning on the 95 O is VERY strong and the toning on the 96 PL (DMPL?) is kinda ugly until the light hits it right & then BANG!, beautiful. Sorry about the photos but the best I could do at the moment. Please give your thoughts on toning & grades.

    1895 O
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]1896 PL or maybe DMPL[​IMG][​IMG]1904 S[​IMG][​IMG]Thanks for looking!
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    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    '95 - VF details AT

    '96 - 64 PL

    '04 - XF details
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I have to agree.

    Also, the 1895 O & 1904S are kinda, well, not attractive.
  5. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    I'm not a Morgan guru, but doesn't the 95 obverse look cleaned or rubbed or something? It's hard to tell from the pictures, but something just doesn't look "right". The 96 looks like it has some nice cameo/PL going on.
  6. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    I know they're not the prettiest, but the 95 O filled the second to last hole in my New Orleans date set album & they were both really good deals. So does anyone want to say AT or NT? I think the 95 O is album toned because the person I got them from had several with similar color/pattern. All different years, like a date set. Thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I already did. Here's the deal, yes that coloration is not unusual on album coins, but that is with unc album coins. With coins with that much wear, that kind of toning is all but unheard of. I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's very unlikely. So I'm going with the odds.
  8. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    No. I'll leave that to the nutcakes who like to collect tarnished coins on those arbitrary standards.
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I don't necessarily think the first coin is AT, but I do think it was cleaned and has subsequently retoned, which is reason enough to steer clear.
  10. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    I bought it yesterday to fill a hole in my New Orleans date set. I wouldn't even find an AG 3 for the price I paid for this one so I'm happy with it for now.
  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    And if you are happy, that's all that counts. :)
  12. Kryptonitecomic

    Kryptonitecomic New Member

    I have seen it an owned several nicely toned circulated examples but usually a circulated coin would have much of the toning rubbed off even in the fields so it's either AT or secondary toning and I am inclined to agree with GDJMSP that the most likely explanation is the coin had help.
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Shane/G, How can you tell the difference between a "cleaned NT" coin and a "cleaned AT" coin to the extent that you think the AT route is the most likely? I want to believe you, but logic and my experience says otherwise. Just curious as to how you think "cleaned AT" is most likely, as I can't get there from here....Mike
  14. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    I would not worry too much about the source of the toning on the 1895-O with the rim problems that coin will never go into a graded holder IMO.
  15. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    In hand the ris is actually not that bad. I had a raw 1892 CC $1 that had worse and more numerous dings and it came back NGC MS 63.
  16. Lugia

    Lugia ye olde UScoin enthusiast

    #1 & 3 are cleaned. #2 looks PL.
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Mike - I thought I explained my reasoning for my comments pretty clearly. And I never even mentioned anything about cleaning.

    If I were take a stab at answering your question - I don't know of a way to tell the difference.
  18. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    I'd like to remove the toning on the reverse of the '95 O while keeping the obverse how it is. Any suggestions???
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Terrible idea ! The coin is already suspect. Even try that and you'd end up with a messed with coin that nobody would even consider wanting to own.
  20. Coinsnake

    Coinsnake MorganMan

    So leaving it as is would be best?
  21. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Yes...I believe all you can do is make it worse and thus less desirable.
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