New Here, need help identifying a coin.

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  1. LoopCoin1963

    LoopCoin1963 New Member

    After about 30 minutes looking through books and searching online for key legend notes I was not able to come up with the right information for this coin. Can anyone lend a hand on identifying this coin?
    Thanks,
    Josh
    Loop Coin
    Mobile, AL
     
    LoopCoin1963, Apr 25, 2017
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  3. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the forum, Josh! You'll need to upload an image.
     
    Deacon Ray, Apr 25, 2017
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  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Welcome Josh. Could you please post a picture of your coin ?
     
    7Calbrey, Apr 25, 2017
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  5. LoopCoin1963

    LoopCoin1963 New Member

    20170425_134517.jpg 20170425_134511.jpg
    Sorry guys, Got in a hurry and forgot to attach. Here you go, should be pretty easy to see
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Don't think it is a Mardi Gras item, but I really like it and think someone should know what it is.
     
    Kentucky, Apr 25, 2017
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  8. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    It is a Danish 1/16 Thaler. Early 1600s I think.
     
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    Aethelred The Old Dead King

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  10. LoopCoin1963

    LoopCoin1963 New Member

    Thanks @Aethelred. I'll post from time to time most likely looking for help but It is much appreciated.
     
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  11. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    That was my same thought until I saw the 2nd pic!
     
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  12. Deacon Ray

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    Amazing! Thanks, Aethelred! I think you've nailed it! I can't believe I told our new member that it was likely a Mardi Gras coin. :wacky:

    The truth is that I don't know diddly and I that's why I hang out with you guys. Maybe some of it will rub off. :confused:
     
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  13. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    It is an unusual type that you do not often see.
     
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  14. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    hi D Ray, i wuz thinkin' "where is he" just awhile ago on ya:)
     
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  15. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Thanks for thinking of me, Greg! I've been so busy with church activities the past few days I've been unable to spend much time with my CoinTalk Ancient friends.
     
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  16. LoopCoin1963

    LoopCoin1963 New Member

    In the KP books, a coin shows with the figure standing on the globe, but different reverse. As you read farther this particular coin is described which helped me verify what @Aethelred pointed me to! Thanks again! You may see me pop in from time to time with a coin I may have questions on. We do pretty well here at my shop to determine which coins are what, but without imagery in the book of both the obv. and rev. of this particular coin, it was hard to determine what exactly it was.
     
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  17. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The obverse shows a fancy crowned C4 monogram. It's a 2-Mark silver Danish coin. Probably struck in mid 1600 under king Christian IV. It should weigh around 11 grams. Hope I'm guessing right.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I think it's a Denmark/Gluckstadt 1/16 thaler (1/16 Speciedaler), as Aethelred mentioned.

    Should be KM11, or similar.

    Here is one on eBay, but don't get excited by that seller's asking price. That seller is an honest professional I've done business with several times, but he has rather notorious, crack-pipe-crazy notions about pricing all too often.

    Personally, I'd call your coin a VG, which would likely make it worth about $45 according to the Krause link above. This is based on the assumption that it is a 1623 of the KM11 type. You can see the "16" of the date in the cartouche on the obverse, and there would be a "Z3" (in other words, an old-style "23") at the end of the obverse legend, about 10:00-11:00 in your first picture above.

    What makes things difficult is that Krause does not include pictures of most of these early types. The eBay listing shows a definitely similar coin, but the legends don't match up exactly with yours. Of course variants were common in this era.

    Here's another I managed to Google up. It looks very similar to yours, and you can clearly read the "Z3" (23) on that example.

    So we're pretty close, anyway.

    Neat old coin! Welcome!
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    PS- that figure standing on the globe is Fortuna, the personification of Luck.

    In the Wikipedia page about her that I just linked to, it shows the arms of Gluckstadt.

    Which pretty well cinches the attribution of this coin as being from Gluckstadt. I suppose the "C - GL" on your coin's obverse would be an abbreviation for "CIVITAS GLVCKSTADT". It's abbreviated a little differently on the eBay example I linked to in my previous post, but the second one I linked to in the previous post is just like yours.

    (So there's a nekkid lady on the front of your coin! Too bad she's too worn to get a good peek at, eh?) ;)
     
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  20. LoopCoin1963

    LoopCoin1963 New Member

    @lordmarcovan Thanks for going further in depth for me on this. I appreciate any and all incite I can get!
     
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  21. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    And MO NO is Moneta Nova or New Money, you often see those words on early modern coins like this one.
     
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