New GW $ Edge Lettering Error?

I just bought a $1000 box of George Washington Dollars to go through. I live in Jacksonville..the box was sealed and had an inspection date of February 15th. However, I only found one interesting coin in the box. Here are the pictures.





I believe this might be some sort of error involving the ejection process of the coins from the edge lettering dies...What do ya'll think?

In the first two pictures, you can see the gouge through Trust, and in the third you can see that the "U" from "UNUM" is missing...

 

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Anyone have any thoughts on this coin?

 

I'm a bit curious too, I was at the coin store today and saw a coin with
a similar error, looked like someone just started to put in in a pipe threader, and changed their
mind just as it started cutting. It was a nice coin popped out of a proof-like set, obviously
a mint error, but it just looked too much like post-mint damage, and I think it would be
hard to confince anyone else otherwise.

 

I still believe it has something to do with the edge lettering process....

 

I got a roll 2 weeks ago from my bank in Sarasota and got 16....I was kinda ****ed at first,lol..too funny

 

Me too. I have one with the letters "2007 P" shifted one character to the right and I noticed that the "TRU" has a scrape through it... same spot as the subject coin here... only no where near as deep and only a tiny bit of material missing.

It's at ANACS now so no pics.

 

Do you think I should send it to ANACS? I know NGC will most likely body-bag it....

 

errors;

has anyone ever noticed? that on the upside down variety,that all the letterning,are in different
locations,i am referring,to the " D" MINT MARK, i live in texas,the denver mint is closer to us,
i bought 3 rolls all denver,found total of 18 UPSD,errors.

 

The upside down lettering coins are NOT an error. Ths way the lettering is facing is random....should be about 50/50.

 

I've heard that about NCG but to NCG's credit thats part of why their packages are worth more... if you can get them to label as such. ANACS doesn't have a package that displays the view of the RIM LETTERS yet either but they say they will swap your later free I think... they are making one I beleive.

If you hurry, you can get in on ANACS 8 dollar 10-day deal they have on the Washington dollars.. send in 9 of your best looking ones or some smooth errors or whatever and have them look at your scratched one. I don't know how they could tell that it was done at the mint or afterwards.. but seems to me that if its a smooth one-swipe dig, at THAT location, then their "research" should show that the machine is capable of it. There will probably be more that surface. I'm not sure if being a "discovery coin" for something like this is possible (I don't know much about the discovery coin subject) but do more research and decide if $20 plus 2-way postage and at least $500 insurance is worth the chance that you are submitting the FIRST of something.

I think that if this scrape turns up this deep anywhere.. someone was asleep at the inspection station.. I also think that any grader will not consider labeling this just yet.. but ANACS will re-label for free if it is discovered later on that the classification should be different.

They charge you for the grading, more for a variety, and even more if THEY have to do the research to find the name of the variety or error.. you might go ahead and email them the picture.. they actually answer email in a detailed manner from my experience... even answering me from a hotel room at the Charlotte event once.

 

Thanks a lot for the advice!

 

As n_sandler4 said, the "upside down" edges are not an error, and by the same token the random positions of the edge lettering with respect to the face/tail strikes are neither errors nor varieties.

Coins are dumped into a hopper after being struck, and the edge lettering machine gets them in a totally random fashion, so there is absolutely no right or wrong orientation, or position of the edge lettering with respect to the top of the coin.

Arguably the up/down orientation may constitute a variety as there are only two distinct possibilities and the overall distribution is somewhere in the neighborhoold of 50-50.

With hundreds of possible starting points for the edge lettering (360 if you count the number of degrees from top dead center to the starting point, more if you consider smaller increments and less if you consider larger increments) there's no way that they can be considered separate varieties.

(I'm not talking about the true error coins where there is incorrect spacing, dropped letters, or extra letters.)

 

The website 'Washingtondollarerrors.com' Lists this very same edge, and labels it as a die clash.
http://www.washingtondollarerrors.com/#errors

 

Thanks for the link! But it is most definitely NOT a die clash....that person doesn't seem to know what they're taking about. However, the image confirms in my mind that this is indeed a mint error. Thanks again!

 

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Everybody happy?

 

There is at least one error in that site's description of errors.

They call a coin with a damaged edge a "die clash", which it cannot possibly be, because as GDJMSP pointed out in another thread, there is only one edge die, so it has nothing to clash with!

The pictured "error" - the last picture in the posting - is damage of some kind. Since it apparently occurred at the Mint, it may be properly called an error, just not a die clash.

 

I have seen a few on the net with this problem. So it is defineatly not postmint.

 

Maybe not "post mint", but almost certainly "post strike". (Could also be something that occurred at the third party packaging place that rolled them.) With that big slice of metal hanging off, it was not made during striking for sure.