New Eraviscan coin

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  1. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Eravisci . Mid-late 1st century BC. AR Denarius

    Imitating Cn. Lentulus. Head of Jupiter right / Globe between rudder and thunderbolt; small X to right, RAVIS (S retrograde) below. Freeman 4 (dies 2/C);
    eravisci ii.jpg

    “The Eravisci were a tribe of highly cultured Danubian Celts who settled at Gellért Hill near modern Budapest in the third and fourth centuries BC. “


    “The Eravisci were the single Celtic tribe in Pannonia whose coinage was based exclusively on Roman Republican denarii and they are also the single tribe who inscribed their tribal name on their coins”



    Heres the coin type my denarius is imitating, (not mine)
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Neat imitative.
     
  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    That is a very cool coin.
     
  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    An interesting coin and background. Thank you for posting!
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice find, arnoldoe!
     
  7. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That is a pretty stunning reverse.
     
  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool coin and interesting post.

    Amazing how the obverse and reverse appear to be from two different coins by strike and wear....
     
  9. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Excellent pickup! I've been waiting for the right example of one of these Eraviscan coins for a while. If you ever have a chance, I recommend picking up Essays Hersh where Freeman's study of these types was published.

    I had an interesting conversation with @Volodya about these a while back and was fascinated by one of the things he pointed out. The Eravisci seemed to have used a relatively small number of dies until they completely fell apart, so you see tons of die matches among their coins. Some of the other neighboring tribes on the other hand used a large number of dies but struck significantly fewer coins per die such that it is rather difficult to find die matches. I am honestly unsure if this should be attributed to different techniques used to make the dies, different attitudes towards die wear or something else, but it adds an interesting depth to these coins.
     
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  10. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    I found it :angelic:
    My coin is from the group of 44 Eraviscan coins studied in the paper.. but it wasn't pictured.

    Here is my first Eraviscan coin i bought a few months ago, it used to be Volodya's.
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    +yeah, there are a lot of die matches for these...

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  11. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Another possibility just this second occurred to me. Maybe the Eravisci didn't produce more dies because they literally couldn't. Maybe they only ever had access to one or a couple of die cutters: tribe members who trained elsewhere, itinerant workers hired for a time, slaves; when they moved on or died (no pun intended!) that was it. No more dies were going to be produced, so if the tribe wanted new coins, they had no choice but to use the dies they had until they fell apart.
     
  12. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    I didn't realize that obverse dies were used across completely different reverse types. Are those all Eraviscan coins?

    Is this also the case with Roman issued coinage? Is this the case with any other cultures coinage?
     
  13. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they are all Eraviscan coins,

    All i can think of for Roman issues is when it was done "accidentally" on a few coins..
    But it seems like almost all Eraviscan coins are somehow die linked to each other in some way.
     
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  14. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I'm not sure how often this happened at Rome. It doesn't seem to have really happened during the Republic except in cases so scarce that it really appears to have been a one-off mint error of sorts rather than something that was allowed or even tolerated, I know that it happened with some of the mints outside of Rome, however. Doug has an excellent set of die-linked Eastern mint denarii of Septimius Severus illustrating this. The tribes neighboring the Eravisci did this as well, and many hybrid types are known because they would get the dies mixed up.
     
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  15. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    This would lend credence to the idea that they had few engravers and a small issue as Phil suggests. The obverse on the OP looks like it was not only heavy worn but also re-engraved several times during its life.....but the reverse is perfect. Interesting
     
  16. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member


    This one here was re-engraved with a circle on the obverse, then they continued to use the die until it was completely worn out...

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    Also, i noticed that the RAVIS reverse never shows much wear..
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