Hoping to get your opinions on this 1972 Cent. Got it from an uncirculated bank roll. It has all the die markers of Wexler's DDO 4, including cud on the rim by Liberty (I don't think the scan/photos show that too well), but I am so new to collecting, that I still have a such a hard time differentiating between true doubled dies and machine doubling. Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it...
To my eyes, and with just a cursory look, it has the distinct appearance of the master doubling common for this date.
Thanks guys. Do you know if it's possible for a coin to exhibit all of the die markers for a variety, yet not be that error? That's what keeps me looking over this one so much. I will get a better photo of the cud, as well as the other noted markers, as they are not depicted accurately in the ones I included. Sorry about that.
The 1909P-1DO-002 is notorious for being misidentified, because there are many coins with the same die chip in the B of LIBERTY as well as other markers that are not the DDO.
Because of the presence of heavy die scratches, I would guess the reverse anomalies are the result of die abrasion doubling.
I did notice the reverse doubling, but being so new (and obviously with a lot to learn) was hoping someone would see it too Heres a few more pics of the obverse. The coin has all of the markers for DDO 4 (cud by L in Liberty...will upload pic, 3 parallel scratches on N of United, scratch between A and T in states, numerous scratches running east to west on E PLURIBUS UNUM, and on the bottom of the Memorial)
Am referencing the following link regarding the markers. The coin has all the markers for DDO 4, Stage C. http://www.doubleddie.com/384301.html
Here are some of the markers on the coin. 1st pic is the die scratch between A and T in STATES. This one also shows a little id the east west scratches on E PLURIBUS UNUM. 2nd pic is the three parallel scratches on the bottom and one small scratch on the top of the N in UNITED. My apologies for the quality of the pics. I am working with a camera phone and a telescope lens as a loop. Do these seem to match the markers for the DDO 4?
The polish lines by the N in UNITED don't appear to be running in the same direction from what I can see. Remember they have to match exactly, they can't just be close.
Hi, thanks for the info. Again I have really bad photo equipment, so I appreciate you all taking the time to look. I tried to highlight the scratches below the N,that the photo isn't picking up.
I would focus more on the fact that your coin does not show the doubling present on die 4, therefore, it cannot be die 4. Your coin has some master die doubling, which was present on about 60% of all 1972 cents. There are recorded finds of the reverse die of die 4 with an obverse die of only master die doubling, but I still don't think that's what you have. I think it's just a normal coin with master die doubling. Keep up the hunt!
It seems to me that you are placing more weight on the markers than on the doubling itself. While markers are excellent for verifying or attributing, they should come a close second and only after coming to the conclusion that the doubling itself appear to be a match. Even with the iffy images, this does not look to be FS104. As I mentioned earlier, this looks to be an example of the ever-common master doubling. Below is a link; please take a look and decide for yourself. http://doubleddie.com/203801.html (bottom of page)
Thank you all for the info. The last link was very helpful. One last pic and photo...how do you tell the difference from what's in the photo to real doubled die. I have read about the flatness of machine doubling, and looked at some diagrams, but am still really struggling on some coins...any other good indicators between the two?
