Need help with Gallienus Antoninianus Reverse Legend

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This is a bit tricky for me because the reverse type appears to be Mars standing left and the reverse legend appears to read MART plus something else. Not MARTI plus INVICTO or PACIF or PROPVG.

    I suppose it could read VIRTVS AVG, but that's a weird-looking VIR if that's the case.

    There's an officina mark, S, in the exergue.

    Am I completely missing the boat? What's the reverse legend supposed to read? Is this even Gallienus? I'm pretty sure it is.

    Sorry about the photo quality. This is enlarged and cleaned up from a photo of a group lot I recently bought at auction; the seller did not attribute any of the coins individually.

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  3. dougsmit

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    VIRTV-S AVG
     
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  4. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Yes. Gallienus. Yes VIRTVS AVG.

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    GALLIENVS AVG, Radiate head right, slight drapery on both shoulders
    VIRTVS AVG, Mars standing left, holding reversed spear right and shield left. S in exergue

    Not mine:-

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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    It's almost certainly VIRTVS AVG. Lettering was just weird around this time.
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Thanks, guys!!

    This must be RIC 325, then:

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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    This question is not towards anyone in particular. Zumbly makes an interesting comment.

    Curious: As I try to decipher the lettering, I can REALLY appreciate @Roman Collector 's question. WHY was lettering so "weird" at that time? Were the Cellators lazy? Illiterate? Technologies lost? Empire backwater period?

    The elements and strokes of the letters look like cuneiform stylus marks in a clay tablet...
     
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  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    There is a distinct drop in quality associated with a dramatic increase in the volume of coins produced. I suspect the engravers were under pressure to produce more dies as opposed to quality dies.
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I am always amazed when we modern people with our thousands of fonts expect the Romans to have adopted a letter style in 700 BC and lived with it for the duration. Why? Fashion changes make art interesting. Sometimes we see changes in lettering style between mints. Often we see it between times. Why did Picasso not paint like Rembrandt? Was he not a good enough artist? The 'artist' drew this was skilled enough to draw anything but decided not to work in oils. I admire the skill of Jim the Penman (but owning it would be illegal).
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    Note this RIC number specifies four shops (what is N). I always liked mine where the VI is inserted in a gap in the encircling legend. I might now have doe it that way but the mint did that day.
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you. That makes a lot of sense to me. I also agree and understand @dougsmit ... but this style is illegible, even considering your comments.
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This group lot has one like that, too! And the font is much more legible.

    Gallienus VIRTVS AVG VI rev.JPG
     
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