Natural Toning or what?

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  1. mrgooch

    mrgooch Active Member

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    I see a lot of American Silver Eagles with Gold toning. Is this natural toning or is it induced?
     
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  3. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    1988-1997 West Point planchet washing did produce some odd toned coins.
    But this one???? If I had just opened a sealed roll and seen this I would have the same question .
    :)
     
  4. carboni7e

    carboni7e aka MonsterCoinz

    I can't see the reverse
     
  5. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    Suggestion: take of photo of this coin next to a clean blast white ASE for comparison, then re-post it for us. Sometimes the lighting in photographs can make the coin look yellow to begin with, so its hard to tell.
     
  6. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Here, I removed the warm cast from image, assuming the background should be light gray / white.

    Toning looks fine to me, not really too extravagant to scream AT.

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  7. TC3

    TC3 Member

    I'd say it's natural. A lot of Commems from the same period get this toning as well
     
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  8. coingeek12

    coingeek12 Collect all the nickels!

    I have two american prospector 1 ounce rounds that are toning like that, i say it's normal.
     
  9. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'm in the NT camp .
     
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  10. mrgooch

    mrgooch Active Member

    It's not my coin,it's on Ebay advertised as toned.
     
  11. mrgooch

    mrgooch Active Member

    Here is another. x.JPG
     
  12. oval_man

    oval_man Elliptical member

    I would be suspicious of this listing for the sheer reason that seller juiced the color to make it a stronger gold. Also, nice of geekpryde to have balanced the color but, given how blue the cast shadow still is, I'm guessing the coin's left field (which looks blue) is blast white and the "gold" on the right is very pale.
     
  13. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    Cigarette smoke makes a very similar tone to 999 silver. IMHO its at
     
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  14. coinsarefun

    coinsarefun Junior Member

    The first one in the original post is natural and the 1988 is also natural.
    It is VERY hard to find a 1988 toned. I nearly completed an entire toned set and never did find a toned 1988. But after I sold the set I found one and still have it.

    PCI toned eagles are notorious for having that toning. Usually develops into very vivid colors. Remember that silver eagles are .999 so vivid sometimes crazy toning occurs.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Fact - ASE's can tone like that naturally, and look exactly like both of the coins posted in this thread.

    Fact - ASE's can be toned artificially to look exactly like both of the coins in this thread.

    Fact - neither, you, me, or anybody else, can ever say definitively which one it is - NT or AT.
     
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  16. TC3

    TC3 Member

    Yeah, it's a tough call as to definitively knowing which type of toning has occured. I lean towards NT, but who am I to tell you that? lol :)
     
  17. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Impossible to say for sure whether the toning is natural or not. It could be natural... depends on if you believe in "innocent until proven guilty" or vice-versa when it comes to toning lol...

    Personally the fact that it's almost impossible to tell whether toning is natural or not (sometimes the very definition of "natural" is arguable, as you can put a coin in a very specific environment to make it "naturally" tone) unless it's extremely blatant, is why I tend to avoid toned coins in the first place. (That and I just don't like the look of them lol, but that part's subjective. To me all toning may as well be artificial, in the sense that it's not how the coin was intended to look. If you like crazy colors on your coins, plenty of mints in the world put them on their coins on purpose.)
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    What would be the incentive to create a modern silver bullion coin with some light gold peripheral toning via artificial methods?
     
  19. mrgooch

    mrgooch Active Member

    Selling for over $200
     
  20. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Notice in this photo the white is not really white? I bet the seller is using fluorescent lights for the image and does not have the camera set for fluorescent lights.
     
  21. mrgooch

    mrgooch Active Member

    Is that why he is asking so much for the coin-the lighting?
     
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