My first budget Julius Caesar coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Robichari, Nov 18, 2021.

  1. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Have a good day for All!

    I bought this one from polish online store for 15 usd. In the description, the seller wrote: Rome, dupondius, woman.
    When I saw it, I thought: is this what I think - a coin that I find at a reasonable price for me, I thought it was not possible. Shipment arrived today - 27mm, 14.1g
    Dupondius Julis Caesar. 46-45BC.AE.
    Bust of Victory right; in front CAESAR DIC.TER
    Reverse.Minerva standing left holding in left hand trophy over shoulder; with right hand she holds spear and shield; snake in front; legend arount C.CLOVI PRAEF.

    What do you think? Is it authentic? Please shaer your coins!

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    Greetings,

    Robert
     
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  3. jdmKY

    jdmKY Well-Known Member

    Hi Robert - I can’t vouch for the authenticity from the photos but I think your identification is correct.

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  4. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    My ‘budget’ Julius Caesar with portrait though not so cheap as your coin ;)

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  5. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

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  6. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Ooo, it is a denarius!? Even a "budget" this coin costs a fortune. Fortunately, my interest is focused on the smaller denominations, otherwise I would have to say goodbye to hope:nailbiting: Can I ask You how much did it cost?

    Robert
     
  7. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I think your coin is probably authentic, with the caveat that it's always harder to tell with heavily worn coins.

    My example is a bit rough but I still like it.
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  8. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Great piece of history! Thank You!
     
  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Not exactly a budget coin, but here is an imitation of a sestertius of Octavian with Divus Julius Caesar. “The Octavian / Divus Julius Caesar bronzes come at two weight standards, about 18 grams (two-thirds ounce) with round and level flans and lifelike portraits, and at about 10-14 grams with less regular flans and less refined portraits. Certainly of different mintage, the lighter coins are sometimes called imitative. However, the weights, sizes, and fabrics are reasonably consistent within this group. More likely they were semi-official local issues from southern Gaul, perhaps a civic response to the need for large bronze coinage in one or other city in Provence.” [CNG]

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    The Triumvirs. Octavian and Divus Julius Caesar. 38 BC.
    Æ Sestertius (or Dupondius?), 30mm, 11.2g, 7h; Southern Italian or Gallic mint.
    Obv.: DIVI・F CAESAR; Bare head of Octavian right.
    Rev.: DIVOS IVLIVS; Wreathed head of Divus Julius Caesar right.
    Reference: Crawford 535/1; CRI 308; RPC I 620.
     
  10. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Thank You for sharing! Very interesting coin - i have a non-imitation (i think) with countermark (i dont know what it's on) - but in very worn condition 18,2 g, 30 mm

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    Robert
     
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  11. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    It was a bargain cause of the wear but that was a long time ago. Compared to other denarii with a Julius Caesar head it was a cheap/budget coin. But I agree that these coins, even with a lot of wear cannot be found anymore for low prices.
     
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  12. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Not a real JC, but it's the best I'll get
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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    AUGUSTUS (OCTAVIAN)
    AE Dupondius
    OBVERSE: CAESAR DIVI F, bare head of Octavian right
    REVERSE: DIVOS IVLIVS, wreathed head of Julius Caesar right
    Gallic or Italian mint 38 BC
    30mm; 17.90 g
    CR535/v1, RPC620v
     
  14. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Thank You for sharing! it is a provincial?
     
  15. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Thank You for sharing! A beautiful crude style coin :)
     
  16. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Here is the "official" version of the Octavian / Julius Caesar bronze:
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    CAESAR DIVI F - bare head of Octavian right
    DIVOS IVLIVS - wreathed head of Julius Caesar right
    Sestertius (?), southern Italy, 38 b.C.
    30,21 mm / 19,73 gr
    RPC 620; Crawford 535/1; Sear (Roman Imperators) 308; FITA, pp. 49-50 and pl. i, 14; Sydenham 1335; BMCRR Gaul 106; Babelon Julia 98-9; Cohen I, p. 22, 3
     
  17. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Great big coin!
     
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  18. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    I found this coin at several auctions. Does any of the forum members present here have it in their collection? Supposedly, it dates back to 45 BCE and is connected with Caesar (is it just an advertising procedure?), But it is also dated to 31 BCE. Crawford states that he is quite uncertain when and where this coin was struck or whether it is strictly a Roman issue at all. (p 546)
    What do you think?

    JULIUS CAESAR? AE orichalcum dupondius? Moneyer issue, Quintus Oppius, 45-46 BC. Bust of Venus, Victoria advancing, holding basket of fruit.

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    Robert
     
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  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Good catch, and nice opportunity to post my newly acquired budget Julius Caesar's portrait (half) coin :

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    JULIUS CAESAR and OCTAVIAN – Halved dupondius, Vienna (Gaul), ca. 36 BCE
    •IM[P• DIVI•IVL•CAESAR•DIVI•F] bare headed portraits of Julius Caesar to left and [Octavian to right]
    [C•I]•V Prow of galley to right, surmounted by superstructure and mast (CIV for Colonia Ivlia Viennensis)
    33 mm – 10,58 gr
    Ref : RPC # 517

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  21. Robichari

    Robichari Active Member

    Great half, i want this one to my collection too, but so far I haven't found a budget option yet ;)
     
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