My first Argenteus...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mikey Zee, Jul 14, 2016.

  1. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I've been interested in this type of silver coin of Diocletian since I first saw an example posted on CT about nine or more months ago but it always seemed to draw several bidders willing to pay far more than my budget would allow. Finally, I was able to snag this example at a fair retail price----although still a bit pricey. I LOVE the reverse and it seems 'sharper' in-hand than the seller's photos seem to suggest, unfortunately I haven't been able to improve on them despite numerous 're-shoots'.

    Please post any silver coin of this era that you may wish to share.

    AR Argenteus of Diocletian; Heraclea mint, 296 AD
    Laureate head right; DIOCLETIANVS AVG.
    The four Tetrarchs sacrificing over a tripod before city enclosure with six turrets.
    HE in exergue; VICTORIAE SARMATICAE
    RIC 10a, RSC 491 b; 2.92 grams, 17 mm
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  3. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Fabulous coin. I love argentei. Got one myself of Diocletian, from the Nicomedia mint though

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    Diocletian, Argenteus Nicomedia mint, 3rd officina, AD 295-296
    DIOCLETI ANVS AVG, Laureate head of Diocletian right
    VICTORIAE SARMATICAE, The tetrarchs sacrifying before a campgate. SMNΓat exergue
    3.3 gr
    Ref : RCV # 12615 (1000), Cohen #491 var,

    Q
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice congrats. Would love to have a example, even if it's budget grade *no holes*.
     
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  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I traded mine for a nice Hekte. Congrats - its a must have for the Roman collector.
     
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  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Very nice score... these always tend toward the pricey side, but you do get four Tetrarchs on the reverse for the price of one :D.

    Galerius, as Caesar.
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  7. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    An Argenteus of Emperor Valens
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    2.70 Grams
    20 mm
    CONSS
     
  8. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Cool Coins Guys :D
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    NICE!

    Now here is where I break out my broken example (only example).
    Maximianus 8.jpg
    MAXIMIANUS
    AR Argenteus
    OBVERSE: MAXIMIANVS AVG, laureate head right
    REVERSE: VIRTVS MILITVM, four tetrarchs sacrificing before walls with 6 turrets
    Struck at Ticinum, 295 AD
    2.6g, 18mm
    RIC VI 18b
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nary an Argenteus is this collection. Bummer.

    @Mikey Zee , I am going to have to do what you have done: capture all the Roman denominations. Your Argenteus is gorgeous.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2016
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  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful posts guys!!

    I guess I tend for coins with multiple rulers on them (As Zumbly mentioned) since it seems you get more bang for the buck LOL
     
  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Back for another look - that Argenteus is phat!
     
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  13. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    Oh lordy, that one is freaking awesome! When i upgrade my Diocletian, an argenteus is the one for me!
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that coins ...well...kind of hot. :D

    congrats to you MZ...i'd love to get one of these as well.
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    One Diocletian argenteus reverse type is intended to tell the public about the value of the new denomination: 96 to the (Roman) pound (of silver):

    DiocletianXCVI.jpg
    20-19 mm. 3.295 grams.
    RIC VI Ticinum 20a. "c. 300"
    XCVI (=96) in a wreath, T = Ticinum mint below.
    By the way, 3.295 grams x 96 = 316.3 grams, which is not far from the expected number for a Roman pound which was near 327 grams. The amount left for seignorage is not much, a little over 3%
     
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  16. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Great coin stunning :D
     
  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, that's an awesome OP-score, Mikey-Z (congrats)

    *rats* ... sadly, I don't have an example to toss-in to this amazing thread (great coins, fellas)


    :rolleyes:
     
  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Fantastic coin Mikey! The reverse is really quite splendid.
     
  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Stunning examples guys!! Congrats to all

    Dang, now @Valentinian and @Magnus Maximus have me thinking of adding those 'variety' into the mix:facepalm:.....SIGH----- It never ends does it;)
     
  20. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Great coin! I like that it advertises the monetary reform.

    I have questions about the mechanics of seigniorage and wonder if any ancient histories go into detail about this. How exactly was seigniorage accomplished?

    Your calculation suggests that the seigniorage was removed from the pound of silver prior to striking the 96 coins. Is that known? My first guess would be that the full pound was struck (less any silver retained by a sticky-fingered mint worker or overseer) and the seigniorage paid in coin.

    Alternatively, perhaps the silver was delivered to the mints already parceled into one pound ingots which were less than one pound by the amount of seigniorage?
     
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