My Central States Copper Haul (large pics)

I took 6 hours to drive to Chicago to attend the Central States show. With 300 dealers, this was twice the size of the largest show I had attended. I enjoyed watching the Heritage auctions and reviewing the auction inventory beforehand - a great opportunity to see lots of types in various conditions. I also sat in on the Liberty Seated club meeting and, of course, roamed the bourse. A great educational experience.

My objective was to acquire a Draped Bust large cent with good hair detail. So, I gave a priority to the copper specialists and visited the tables of Chris McCawley, Tom Reynolds, and Doug Bird. My first purchase was from Chris (sorry about the lousy pics, the plastic does make it difficult to photograph). Can you guess the grade (PCGS slabbed)?





Then, I toured the bourse looking for a nice 2 cent piece and found one with beautiful toning (the pictures really don't do the coin justice - there are some great blue tones especially on the reverse center around the 2) from Mark Alberici. Guess the grade (PCGS slabbed)(the obverse picture does not show the shield detail - sorry - assume the obverse has the same detail as the reverse)?






Lastly, I returned to the copper specialists and visited Doug Bird's table once again for a raw Coronet large cent (it is a N-3 and has a slight reverse rotation - anyone know variety?). I'm curious whether you think it will slab (note the reverse planchet flake/pit)? How would you grade?








Anyway, I'm now broke and must rebuild a bankroll. In the LONG meantime, I'll practice my photography! I'll reveal the first two slabbed grades later.

 

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Nice haul! Love the draped bust cent.
Guy~

 

WOW !!!

Nice coins !!!! You scored a few real nice coins, and early type, especially copper is hot right now I hear, congrats !!!!

 

Catbert, those are some really nice large cents. I don't particularly care for the 2c, but that's true for most 2c's.

I'd guess the 1803 graded XF 45, the 2C 65 BN, and the 1822 XF 40.

 

Some lovely coins and I really like the strike on the 2 Cent Piece.

How were prices though? Talked to a guy today that went there with $2000 in his pocket and left with same.

He's a type collector and said everything he looked at was WAY over priced.

Just curious.

clembo

 

wow you got 3 coinsthat i was trying to get for the last year. i was at the CICF for 2 days also and didnt get a single coin (comems and world coins dont count) congrats

 

That is a very nice 1803. I think that is Sheldon 253, with arc crack at "states". R2+. Nice!
If your coin is EF-45, and it certainly looks it or very close, then according to Breen's book, it is at the low end of the condition census. Congratulations!

 

OW!!!!
You really know how to hurt a guy.
Very impressive group of coins.

There are a lot of RPD varieties on the 1865 2-cent coin.
Can't tell aboout yours.
The image is fuzzy in the date area and would have to be MUCH larger to diagnose.

 

Good point Kanga. LOTS of RPDs.

 

For me - the first two coins really are beautiful! All three are really nice additions - Congrats!!!

 

WOW - great coins. I would say they 1803 is XF45 and the 1822 is VF35(maybe XF40). I will be more than happy to attribute the coin when I get home tonight(well depends on my flights). All three are very nice scores. Great coins.

 

Beautiful coins, nice finds.

 

Okay - to me it looks like an N-3 for the 1822.

 

p.s. I suspect NGC will slab the 1822 and you'll have more trouble getting it into a PCGS slab -- it has nothing to do with the planchet flake, and everything to do with the color, IMHO.

 

From what I understand, Breen didn't quite grade to the same standard as we do today -- he was much more of a EAC type grader (and probably even tougher).

Breen would likely grade that coin no more than a 35, and likely less.

All IMHO & respectfully submitted...Mike

 

Mike - interesting! To me, the color (the milk chocolate color with the dash of red) is what attracted me to the coin so if that prevents it from being slabbed, then so be it!

I did show the coin to David Lange at NGC when at the show and his view was that the coin had a 50/50 chance of slabbing with his company. He did not say why, but I had indicated the planchet flake before he looked at the coin. I may yet send it off, but if it doesn't survive, that will be okay with me.

 

Pcgs did grade this this coin, but I think I see a slight difference in color(I had to keep going back and forth) - so I do agree with leadfoot. It could be the pictures, but whether they grade it or not I still think it is a nice coin.

 

The 1803 is PCGS XF40
The 1865 is PCGS MS 64 BN (edited to correct my error! thanks mark_h)

Here is a better pic of the obverse date for any variety comments (it is darn hard to take pictures of coins in slabs - I've especially failed to show the toning that compelled me to buy the coin compared to others available at the show!):

 

I think you meant the 1865 is MS64, while the 1822 is really nice I do think it makes it to 64.

 

Doug Bird's opinion of how he would grade the coin he sold to me was VF30-35 and said it would probably grade XF by the grading companies. However, I did not ask him if it would slab in his view.