My 1877-S Trade Dollar & ANACS

A few weeks ago,I mentioned to my coin dealer that I had downloaded an ANACS submission form and was going to send in my Trade dollar for certification.He said "you mean Dan (his son who actually sold me the coin) didn't give you the certification card?I think it's been graded by NGC or someone"
I told him I got a paper from Berk but didn't realize there was any other info and that I wasn't aware that TPG's ever did grading that way.He told me they would photograph the coin and put the certification sticker over both sides of the card,kind of like a slab these days.
I told him I really,really wanted the card and he said he'd try to locate it..at his house.
Two months later,after I had almost given up for fear of becoming a pest but today when I walked in he told me he had it.
Believe it or not,it was ANACS...graded AU-50 cleaned...and here it is
ever see this before anyone??

 

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The photo doesn't show up....I think ANACS is the only place that does that.
Its not alwasy good because when they grade it the coin might be AU but then when you sell it maybe it has some more wear and it is only XF.
So when buying a coin like this don't go by the grade they gave it who knows when!...
I've never seen one of these ANACS papers in person!...only from photos!

Speedy

 

Speedy,
Pics are up now but i'm still sending it in with the provision that it get a grade of AU50-C or higher,otherwise,send it back unslabbed.Do you agree?
P.S...I just saw the date on the card...1989..or maybe 86...LOL
My main concern above and beyond the grade,was authenticity.

 

Mikjo0,

I would send it into ANACS just to get it slabbed (for the reasons Speedy mentioned before regarding wear, etc., and because if I was buying a coin like this, I would want it slabbed). I don't know why you would want to put a provision on it that they only slab it if it comes back AU50-C. I don't even know that they would assign it a grade like that if it's been cleaned. There's no harm in getting it slabbed even if they said it was in Good condition. If it's not already in a slab and you're paying for them to look at it and put it in one, let them put it in there. If you're not happy with what is says on the label, you can take it out later.

Oh, and I like the old grading certificate. I've never personally seen one. I think it would be cool to have the coin slabbed and to have the old certificate with it for the history.

 

tcore,
good advice.I will submit it tomorrow and keep you all posted when I get it back in a couple of weeks.
Hopefully it will get the same grade or better,although I doubt it.What is the next grade above AU50?
Here are pics taken today.I've looked at literally hundreds of pics of 1877s Trades and have never seen a deeper strike.The only major flaws in this coin are the little dings in the fields and of course,the cleaning.Cross your fingers.

 

OK,Maybe this one.LOL MS67..found it today..WOW!
http://tradedollarnut.com/Home Page/Home first links/dates/1877/1877S.htm

 

I would just send it in....I think from what we guessed before it will come back AU50 details.
As for what comes after AU50...AU53/AU55/AU58 and then into the MS's....

Let us know what happens!!

Speedy

 

Thank you Doug!
I'm not 100% commited to sending it in tomorrow but if worse comes to worse,I'm only out about $25.I'll still have the original certification card.

 

Just as an aside,the dealer,now having learned his lesson,namely to put the card WITH the coin when selling it,had another coin in the showcase with this same kind of ANACS card.It was a seated liberty dollar,can't remember the condition but believe it or not,it is the first S.L. dollar I've ever actually seen.It was $475 though so it stayed put.

 

That is an ANACS 9 (black & white photos) or ANACS 10 (color photos) certificate. I can't tell which from the photos. The ANACS 9 was only used during 1987, and the ANACS 10 was used from 1987 until they began using slabs (ANACS 11) in very late 1989. ANACS 10 is fairly common, ANACS 9 is fairly scarce. It can be hard sometimes to tell the two apart on silver coins, look for a fringe of color along the edge of the coin. (Don't be fooled by the red ANA logo, it appears that way on both varieties.)

The most commonly encountered ANACS certificate is ANACS 4 which was used for three years from 1980 to 1983. (The first generation certificate, ANACS 1 was used for a longer period than any other, 1972 - 1976, but is almost never encountered.)

The scarcest ANACS certificates are the Transfer certificates. ANA registered the coin to the submitter. When it was sold the buyer could return the certificate to ANACS and receive a new certificate registered to the new owner with the original grading date on the certificate and the date that the registration was transfered. Now Transfer certificates can exist for all of the certificates ANACS 1 - 8, but for the most part no one cared about the registration and so very few people ever sent the certificates back in. To date I have only been able to confirm the existance of five Transfer certificates, one fourth generation, two fifth generation, and two sixth generation. Three of these five are in my slab reference collection.

 

Thanks Condor,very interesting!!!
The photos are black and white,no yellow around the images,just black..but the date on the certificate is 1986.I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that this is just the copyright date on the certificate form and the coin was graded in 1987.
Is it still a #9?

 

This is very interesting. Please keep us updated. Sure have learning something new today.

 

The old ANACS certificates are an interesting part of the TPG "evolution.":thumb: Here is one that is a little different than yours, Mikjo0.

Charlie

 

Thanks Charlie,
This also confirms my guess about the date certified vs. the date on the certificate's copyright.Yours is 1985 and the coin was graded in 1986.Someone obscured the original registered owner's name on mine and possibly the date.By process of elimination,yours must be type #8??

 

Yes Miklo0 your certificate is still an ANACS 9 or 10. The label is the same as that seen on ANACS 8 which was introduced in December of 1986. The difference between 8 & 9or 10 is in the style of the photographs. On ANACS 8 and earlier they just have the white band between the photos like Charlie32's certificate has.

Charlie32, your certificate is an ANACS 7 which is the onlyone that says Grade Opinion on the label. (Starting with ANACS 8 they say Concensus Grade Opinion.) The ANACS 7 certificate was used for one year, from Dec 18th 1985 to Dec 18th 1986.

 

Condor,you are most definitely THE MAN in this field..thank you!!

 

Well,just for the heck of it,I submitted it to ANACS and got it back today.Here is the result,up from AU50 to AU58.Of course it's in the old holder because of the cleaning but I think I like it better anyway.And of course,I still have the original certificate for historical purposes.
Sometimes you get lucky:smile

 

Well IMHO you still have the old "slab paper" so if you want to sell it like you bought it just crack it back out!!!

IMHO I think you did great!....the coin looks really good and anyone would want that coin in their collection!

Speedy

 

Thanks Speedy,for your advice.If not for you,I probably would have been too chicken to submit it.And Roy for giving me the link to download the submission form.Thanks to Doug and Conder for making sure I realized the value of the original certificate.They'll always be kept together.