my 1857 clashed w/ $20 just came back. picked for $10

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  1. Kevin m

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  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Great pick! I hope to someday have an eye, or luck, to catch something like this.
     
  5. ace71499

    ace71499 Young Numismatic

    I'm sorry but can someone explain to me what "clashed with a $20" means. Ive never heard or seen this.
     
  6. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    The clash occurred when an obverse flying eagle cent die collided with a $20 double eagle reverse die. This is a really cool variety, only about fifty or so are known to exist. I have found three in thirty years. Nice pick.
     
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  7. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    I'm happy for you... I really am.

    But where exactly would one look to see the die clash?
     
  8. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    The most obvious spot is in front of the eagles head.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's known as an S-7 in the Snow books.
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Why do I bother?
     
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  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I have found 3 over the years as well. All but one were problem coins with corrosion or damage. The problem free one was just an AG03. I suspect there are more than 50 out there. Probably closer to 100. I saw one unidentified on eBay under newly listed bin a few weeks ago, clicked to buy and it was gone! I missed it by mere seconds! Looked about F15 & sold for $40!
     
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    ?
     
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  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Interesting. I see quite a lot of completed eBay auctions for Snow-9 (clashed with half dollar), one or two clashed with a quarter, but no recent double-eagle clashes.

    I still don't have a good mental model of how these errors were committed...
     
  14. Kevin m

    Kevin m Member

    I don't think anyone knows for sure but there's lots if ideas about it
     
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  15. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    That pretty much sums up a lot of what goes on here
     
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  16. Kevin m

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  17. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Thanks.
     
  18. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    You know I didn't mean you ;-)
     
  19. Kevin m

    Kevin m Member

    Yeah, I know. W/ coins in general lots of opinions!
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's pretty simple, there is only 1 way it could happen. Denomination 1, say $20, were being minted on a given press. Then, when finished they would switch over to start minting denomination 2, say cents. So the $20 dies were switched out of the press and the cent dies put in. But they screwed up and only switched 1 die. This leaves a cent die and a $20 die in the press. The minting run is begun, and a clash occurs.

    The mistake is then discovered, the $20 die is removed and the other cent die inserted. The minting run continues, thus producing clashed cents. Then that error is discovered after a small number of coins are produced. The clashed cent dies are removed and replaced with new ones, and the run continues.

    'Bout all there is to it really.
     
  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I guess my mental model had them using different presses for different denominations, but when I think about it, I can see that that's a silly assumption.

    I can also imagine that, if they forgot to swap out one die of a very different size, any planchet going into the press would be more likely to fall out of position before being struck. This would increase the likelihood of a clash (as opposed to a mule).
     
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