My 1808 Half Cent

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  1. 1948 Edward

    1948 Edward Member

    Here is some pictures of my 1808 half cent. IMG_20190406_214320.jpg IMG_20190406_214229.jpg
     
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  3. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    Nice coin! Did you recently acquire it?
     
  4. 1948 Edward

    1948 Edward Member

    Had it for 30 years, forgot what I paid for it.
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Very nice looking.
     
  6. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    That's an perfect candidate for a high quality Dansco collection.
     
  7. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It is fake. The second 8 is in the wrong position (shows no 8/7, and does not touch the base of the bust), I see remnants of a spiked chin, and the reverse is that used on the 1804 C-6 half cent. The dies for this class of fake half cents were make from die transfers of a VF/EF 1804 C-6 half cent.
     
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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    These fakes have only been made in the last 10 or so years. I’ll let the members deduce what that means.

    Look familiar?

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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here’s a little tidbit. The last “8” in the date was made by punching two small zeros on top of each other. This once more desmonstates the early mint practice of making dies with all but the last digit of the date on them. The 1808 half cent is a slightly better date in the series and is hard to find in high grade. It was the last of the Draped Bust design coinage.

    There are two overdate varieties. The "8" that covers the orginal "7" is the same size as the other digits in the date. One is somewhat scarce but obtainable. The other has the same obverse, but a sloppily made reverse. That reverse quickly failed creating a rare die variety.
     
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  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I had my suspicions when I looked at the last “8” in the date, but didn’t want to say anything until I was sure.
     
  12. 1948 Edward

    1948 Edward Member

    Looks like I've been had, too late to get a refund since the coin dealer had passed away a few years back.
     
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  13. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    Good catch. Out of curiosity, I compared the reverse to those of the three die marriages and found that the positions of the leaves relative to the letters do not match any of the known die marriages. This is most easily seen with the D in ”United” and the leaves near it.
     
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  14. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    He may not have known, if it wasn't his specialty. Just promise us we won't see it on eBay tonight... :wacky:
     
  15. 1948 Edward

    1948 Edward Member

    I had it for this long so there is no point selling it now.
     
  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That’s my go-to diagnostic
     
  17. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    At first glance it looked to me like the bust was shifted too far to the right. Off center. And the date looked shifted too. That was my first suspicion but was hesitant to say anything until the experts spoke up.
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Try the leaves at the ends of the wreath as well. On both of the 1808 reverses (three varieties but only two rev dies) the gap between the ends of the wreath is centered below the serif of the E. On the OP coin the gap is centered below the serif of the S.
     
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