Multiple Struck 1787 Connecticut Copper M4-L

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by HandsomeToad, Sep 27, 2008.

  1. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Howdy fellow coin peeps, :)

    For your viewing pleasure I offer up one beautifully messed up 1787 Connecticut Copper, Miller 4-L, Horned Bust Variety, that's been struck at least 3 times possibly more (IMO):

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    By the profile alone, it's easy to make out 2 strikes and if that's all you looked at, you would think this was only double struck, but if you look in-between the R & I of AUCTORI, you will see another R, which, when compared to the profile doubling, does not match up to being in the location it should be from those two strikes. Also, there are 4 visible N's in CONNEC, the 2nd one has one above it (3rd N) and then the fourth is just after that. So, the only thing I can come up with is it was originally poorly struck and a second strike occurred but it was too far off from the first strike, so a third strike occurred to enhance the restrike and was close enough to let it go or possibly a fourth strike occurred and then they let it go. Also, with multiple strikes, the coin is "squished" outwardly and becomes larger than it should be, as is the case with this one but not a lot. I have a double struck counterfeit 1775 English Penny/Pence that is seriously oblong because of how off centered the second strike was. :D

    Don't forget that when a coin is repeatedly struck, it causes metal fatigue so while this looks pretty ugly, most of that is due to being struck several times, plus, Connecticut Coppers are not known for being pretty in the first place. ;) You can compare this one to the one on CoinFacts to see what I mean.

    http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/connecticut_coppers/1787_ct_coppers/1787_ct_copper_miller_04_L.htm

    As always, opinions are greatly appreciated. ;)

    Ribbit :)
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Toad:

    Very neat piece.

    :thumb:
     
  4. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    That is just a really cool coin. I think of these as mass produced early folk art, with a really human element. Can't you see Delbert or whoever cursing under his breath as the supervisor makes him screw the press down again, and again? (assuming screw press).Thanks for posting that.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Toad:
    Look at the chin.
    I count three chins.
    (not counting his fat rolls.)

    Very clear, and nice.
     
  6. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I also see 3 chins but it's hard to make out the 3rd nose so I don't know if an expert on these would qualify it or not? I've been discussing it with a semi expert and he won't go more than 2 strikes, even though the other R in AUCTORI is well out of place and he's also concerned my 4th N is just the E, but I can clearly see it in hand, with the E just below it. There is so much I can see in hand that I cannot get to show up in pics. I've tried about everything I could think of to get everything to show but some is so weak it just blends in. However, given there are 2 N's stacked on one another (2nd N) with no N above the 1st N, it stands to reason the missing N has to be somewhere. ;) And with the N's so far off and so well squished, I think they were the intial strike that ended up being overstruck and the 2nd striking was sufficiently off from the 1st, that they had to strike it one or two more times, to try and obliterate the original strike, which then created the double/triple profile. At least, it looks that way to me. :kewl:

    Ribbit :)
     
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