Morgan Dollar 1895 S

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  1. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Good morning everyone,

    What do y´all think this is worth in the current market. Being cleaned at some point in its life

    Best regards
    Siggi

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    Siggi Palma, Aug 21, 2011
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  3. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    The marks all over the face obverse, scratches on the reverse, and the looks of a cleaning, bring it down to AU. I'd say around $162 - $210.

    ***NOTE***

    Looked at the wrong date on numismedia.com, I was looking at a 96S not the 95S.

    Those prices are for an AU58 95S.
     
    BUncirculated, Aug 21, 2011
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  4. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    I like you :thumb:, But i´m not sure it would be that much. I´m guessing 350-450 because of cleaning.

    Would love some feedback from others :)
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 21, 2011
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  5. Iceman57

    Iceman57 Junior Member

    I just did a search on ebay as well as on other sites and your coin might just grade at NGC as a AU-Detail grade from what I just seen.
    Here is a ebay seller,,,that I have seen before that sell coins at a fair prices and don't over charge like others do.

    I think your coin is a better strike then the one I just posted a link to. So it might just be a AU and not a XF-45 with more wear then a AU...
    Its hard to tell sometimes from pictures when its at this stage. What makes me think that it's a AU is that the eagles breast feathers are very full
    and that means it was a strong strike ,,,but a coin can have a strong strike on one side but not the other, Meaning you might have a AU coin there.


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-S-NGC-...10?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item5644d483c6
     
    Iceman57, Aug 21, 2011
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  6. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Thanks buddy, I´m going to see how this goes and send it to NCS
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 21, 2011
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  7. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I would agree. I think an AU grade might pass through. The Rev. has such a nice strike to it, but I think the obv. is what matters the most. And it looks like it has wear in the spots that make it an AU coin. JMO
     
    jessash1976, Aug 21, 2011
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  8. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    If i were you i would NOT send it to NCS. They are not well known and will bump grades higher on purposely which might sound good to you at first, but then you need to know that people dont buy NCS coins just like they wont buy NNC or SEGs. Id send it in to PCGS or NGC
     
    vdbpenny1995, Aug 21, 2011
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  9. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone,

    The reason why I would send it to NCS and then to be graded at NGC is that there is luster on the coin that is hidden under a haze. It might be " MIGHT " be that they could help this one.

    Siggi :)
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 22, 2011
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  10. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    Siggi, What are you seeing on the coin that needs attention from NCS?

    You do know NCS is just another branch of NGC that conserves coins
     
    KoinJester, Aug 22, 2011
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  11. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    What is bothering me is the mint luster " Wich I think my mind is seeing " And I want to see if NCS could remove the toning and show the mint luster.

    It´s hard as heck to photograph this but here is one try.

    I have seen huge ammounts of cleaned coins but this one does not have that reflection, look to it.

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    Siggi Palma, Aug 22, 2011
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  12. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Please please please don't !

    Mint luster can, and does, shine through surface patina on many coins. It will certainly blaze its way through light colorful tone such as this coin. If luster isn't shining through *with* that tone, it won't shine once the tone is gone. If you're not seeing luster now, that means there isn't any.
     
    900fine, Aug 22, 2011
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  13. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    I´m using the wrong word " Mind "

    I see the luster, what i´m trying to explain not being english is that there is a haze on the coin " gray " but under that the mint luster shines through.

    Is anyone understanding me LOL........Am I in the right that this coin might not be cleaned ?
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 22, 2011
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Siggi -

    If that coin has any luster left on it, it's just not showing up in the pictures. And you have to understand (and this is for others who may read this as well) that a coin can look shiny and reflective (as it somewhat does in your 2nd pics) and not have a spec of luster on it.

    Now, regarding the discussion you and I have been having in PMs. The first pics you sent me of the coin (those in post #1) show very little of the color that the coin has. But if you blow them up and then use the magnifying tool they do a great job of showing the fine detail. And using those pictures I can see no luster on the coin. What they do show though is an old cleaning that has since re-toned. And they show a good bit of wear, especially on the obverse.

    That coin, in years past, was black for all intents and purposes. And it was dipped to remove that heavy black toning. Now the thing about black toning is this, once a coin has turned black, there can be no luster left on it for the the toning itself will have destroyed any luster by that point. That's one reason I told you that the coin had been harshly cleaned. But there is another reason too. The obv only shows a few hairlines, and those hairlines may or may not be the result of a harsh cleaning; but if you look at the rev in the area under STATES, you can plainly see where somebody used something abrasive to try and remove the heavy dark toning. You can even see, in that one narrow strip, where the abrasive scratches stop under the 1st T and under the 2nd S, and the remainder of that narrow strip had the black toning on the ends removed by the dip.

    That said, even if the toning had not progressed to the point that it had destroyed the luster, that narrow strip from the T to the S where the abrasive was used, is enough all by itself for the coin to be designated as harshly cleaned. That's all it takes, use an abrasive on 1 small area and leave the rest of the coin alone, and that coin is forever designated as harshly cleaned.

    Thus my answer to your questions about this coin. I wish it were not so but what is there is there. And what is not there is not there, namely luster.
     
    GDJMSP, Aug 23, 2011
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  15. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Thank you Doug,

    I appriciate the time you gave me in that answer. I have a clear answer now :)

    Siggi
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 23, 2011
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  16. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    Put it in your pocket with a couple other Morgans for a few years and you might have a coin that would grade clean in 2-3 years...
     
    Merc Crazy, Aug 23, 2011
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  17. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Yup. leave it alone. Now back to my Tiger's game
     
    jessash1976, Aug 23, 2011
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  18. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Well good news everyone,

    It didnt get a cleaned grade - It´s a AU53 coin :)

    I´m pleased beond words right now..........................

    Siggi
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 30, 2011
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  19. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    That's good to hear Siggi.
     
    BUncirculated, Aug 30, 2011
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  20. zach24

    zach24 DNSO 7070 71 pct complete

    Congrats that's great news!!
     
    zach24, Aug 30, 2011
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  21. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Thanks boys,

    I was my self sure it was cleaned but after looking at it again and again I wasnt sure. So the outcome is amazing
     
    Siggi Palma, Aug 30, 2011
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