Meet the Severans ( and Maximinus)

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  1. iameatingjam

    iameatingjam Well-Known Member

    I present all the Severan emperors in a high grade denarius and also Maximinus ( because why not?)

    ALL FRONT 2.jpg
    ALLBACK 2.jpg

    Caracalla.jpg
    ALEXANDER.jpg
    GETA.jpg Septimius severus.jpg Maximinus.jpg ELAGABALUS.jpg

    ( still looking for a better elagabalus but this will have to do for now)

    Does geta look okay to you guys? An experienced collector told me he thinks mine looks fake but idk it feels real to me.

    What do you guys have for dynastic collections?
     

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  3. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Nice ! If you like the Severians, you can expand the family gathering with all the ladies : Julia Domna, Plautilla, Julia Maesa, Julia Soaemias, the wives of Elagabalus, Julia Mamaea. And also collect a specimen of each official portrait of the young emperors: Caracalla as a child, as a teenager, as a bearded adult resembling Hercules, for ex., same for Geta and Alexander. Maybe also the different hairstyles of the ladies. ;)
     
  4. iameatingjam

    iameatingjam Well-Known Member

    Damn, you're right! I might even have a head start... this Plautilla?

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  5. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    You should also be aware of the different mints issuing coinage. The Geta as Caesar is from the eastern mints (Laodicea-ad-Mare). I am not saying that you should care but you should certainly be aware of the differences.

    Then there are the issues of Geta as Augustus.... The severans are an interesting area to collect depending on how you want to collect them.

    Here is Geta as Augustus from Rome for example:-

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  6. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Yes, this Plautilla for example. I have one with another hairstyle :

    Plautille.jpg
    and also her terrible mother in law :

    Julia Domna.jpg
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    To me, one of the great things to enjoy about coins of emperors who 'lasted' a long time is following the way they changed over the years. Add to this the effect of different mint styles and the Severans make a very collectable group for people who are past the one coin per ruler phase. Coins of Caracalla span over 20 years from child to adult making his group particularly popular but even his father changed in his 19 year time on the coins.
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  8. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Hi, Severans! Hi, Maximinus!
    I am still missing a Geta imperial coin but I am just waiting for the right one to appear.

    But related to this thread, here is an interesting Julia Domna. Not the best condition but I was hoping to get it cheaply (and it did happen) - I wanted this coin for the reverse legend
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    Julia Domna. Augusta AD 193-217. Rome
    Denarius AR
    18 mm, 2,68 g
    RIC IV Caracalla 381 (denarius)
    Date Range: AD 211 - AD 217
    Obv: IVLIA PIA FELIX AVG, Bust of Julia Domna, hair elaborately waved in ridges and turned up low at the back, draped, right / Rev: MAT AVGG MAT SEN M PATR, Julia Domna, draped, seated left, holding branch in extended right hand and sceptre in left hand
     
  9. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Do you think the date range is 211-217? I would narrow it to 211-212. JD is "Mat(er) Augg" with 2 G: Geta is still alive.
     
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  10. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Date can be narrowed to 211 only, since Geta was assassinated in Dec. 211, after the Saturnalia, not in Feb. 212 as traditionally stated. The incorrect date derives from the false birthdate for Geta alleged by the Historia Augusta.
     
  11. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    That is very good info, thank you.
    I took the date range from OCRE (and RIC volume IV)
     
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  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    You can see this transition in his brother, too.
    Geta as a child, ca. 198:
    Geta.jpg

    As a young adult, ca. 211:
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  13. iameatingjam

    iameatingjam Well-Known Member

    Nice coins sir! Unique look with pleasant patina.

    You guys think my geta is genuine eh?
     
  14. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    I see nothing alarming about your Geta but I'm not an expert. As @maridvnvm said, it is from the eastern mint previously known as Laodicea and thus has a very different style than you see on coins from the Rome mint. Compare my examples below.

    Why did the "experienced collector" think it a forgery? Did he/she see it in hand?

    Rom – Geta, Denar, Principi Iuventutis.png
    Geta, Roman Empire, denarius, 200–202 AD, Rome mint. Obv: P SEPT GETA CAES PONT; bust of Geta, bare-headed, draped, r. Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTUTIS; Geta, holding baton and sceptre, standing l. next to trophy r. 18mm, 3.40g. Ref: RIC IV Geta 18.

    Rom – Geta, Denar, Spei Perpetuae, Laodicea, Ric 96.png
    Geta, Roman Empire, AR denarius, 198–200 AD, “Laodicea” mint. Obv: L SEPTIMIVS GETA CAES; bust of Geta, bare-headed, draped, r. Rev: SPEI PERPETVAE; Spes, draped, advancing l., holding flower in r. hand and raising skirt with l. hand. 20mm, 3.19g. RIC IV Geta 96. Ex Pecunem 10, lot 576.
     
  15. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice set of Severans!

    I collect mainly by title (Caesar, Augustus, Divus) which presents some unique and fun challenges. I got all of mine together about a year ago for a family portrait - just about as complete as the set is likely to get

    Pictured is all emperors (minus one), all Caesares, and almost all posthumous issues
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    Since then I also added
    Diva Julia Maesa
    Diva Julia Maesa denarius.jpg

    And I'll adamantly cling to my assertion that the CE under Diadumenian stands for CEBACTOY, AKA Augustus - a title that he held only for the last month or two of his life.
    Diadumenian as Augustus Antioch .jpg

    All I'm missing is Divus Caracalla and Diva Julia Domna, both $1,000+ coins by my reckoning.
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I regret passing on a die duplicate of my sestertius that was higher grade a few years ago. I was under $1k then but would not be now. Silver shows up more often.
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  17. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Your Geta is a first-issue type with his first name beginning with "L" (Lucius). For the story of Geta's coin portraits, see here:

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Geta/

    Here is my coin a lot like the OP Geta:

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    Geta silver denarius, 20-18 mm. 3.66 grams.
    Struck 199 at Laodiceia (in the East)
    Note the initial "L", which is on his first issue.
    L SEPTIMIVS GETA CAES
    SPEI PER-PETVAE
    Spes walking left holding out flower in her right hand
    and grasping her dress in her heft hand.
    Sear 7202. BMC (SS&C) 688.
     
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