MEDIEVAL PENNIES--HELP !!!

I ALWAYS LACK CONFIDENCE WITH INDENTIFICATION OF MEDIEVAL COINS-I BOUGHT A BAG OF THESE AT AUCTION,STUCK ON THESE--TWO HENRY 111,ONE EWARD 1 ????? MOST GRATEFUL FOR HELP

 

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@Bing @Sallent @Omegaraptor. I think any of these 3 can help you

 

The left one I can read Henricus Rex III, so yes, Henry III, and it's from Canterbury, and a short cross penny at that. The right one says Henricus Rex only, not sure if that's Henry I. Middle one is definitely Edward, not sure which. My medieval English coinage knowledge is not strong.

I would recommend comparing the Edward to the ones on York Coins website, and you'll figure out which, or wait for someone with more medieval English knowledge to come on by.

I only have one English Penny, LOL. Still, thanks for the vote of confidence @Smojo .

 

There are no coins of Henry III with the 'III' after the name. Henry II, John, Richard I, and Henry III all issued short cross coins in the name of Henry. There are other identifiers in the portrait, or the monnier and place of issue that provide clues. I'll take a couple minutes and see if I can sort these out

 

Henricus Rex III begs to differ. Yes, this coin of Henry III does indeed have a III in the legend, and a pedigree of famous English coin experts who owned it prior to me that is longer than your arm. So I'm confident it's quite genuine .

 

#3 is from King John, Hue on Cant(erbury). Type 5b, SCBS #1351

 

Let me revise - no short cross coins of HIII with the III. I responded too quickly which is something we are all guilty of on occasion.

 

#1 is also John, Walter on Lu (London), type 6a, SCBC # 1353.

#2 may be a bit more of a challenge. I'm fairly certain it's not a penny though

 

I think #2 is SCBC #2207, A half groat of Henry VII. It is definitely from Canterbury, so it can't be from any earlier than Edward IV (given the type wasn't minted at Canterbury until then).

Any thoughts, @PaddyB ?

 

Thanks for the tag!

I think I would also go with Henry VII - far less ornamentation in the ribbon around the bust. Not sure about S2207 though - in my book that is an Archbishop Morton variety with an M in the middle of the reverse, which is not present here. (We may be into a Spinks renumbering issue again!)
Closest match I think is S2211 with no stops or M on the reverse. I can't make out the mintmarks on either side - sadly trimmed of in antiquity.

I hope that helps.

 

Numbering is correct, I simply overlooked the 'm' on the reverse