Medieval Mystery/Crusader Conundrum (ID help)

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    I picked up this beat up but fun looking "crusader" coin on the cheap, thinking it would be easy to identify and compliment my growing medieval coin collection.
    Well, it hasn't been. So, I am hoping one of our ace medieval coin collectors had an idea.

    I bought it in the last Zeus auction and it was listed simply as:
    CRUSADERS. Silver , 1163-1201. Denier,
    Condition: Very Fine
    Weight: 1.00 gr
    Diameter: 18 mm

    I've searched around and not had much luck with that time frame. So I expanded my search. It kind of resembles later Bohemond V coins. But no solid matches.

    crusader.jpg
    Any ideas or similar types are appreciated!
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I believe this is an issue of the a Bishop of Puy who was the papal representative on this first crusade. His coins and the issues of the city of Lucca Were some of the most common coins the first crusaders used, and subsequently imitated. Raymond of Toulouse was likewise brought to the Levant, and there is a fourth which I can’t remember.
     
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  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I still need an example of Puy, but I have the other two I mentioned:
    Med-05a-FTou-1148-Raymond V-D-1228.jpg French Feudal - Toulouse
    Raymond V-VII, r. 1148-1249
    AR Denier, 19mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: RAMON COMES, Cross Pattee in center, S in second quarter
    Rev.: +TOLOSA CIVI, PAX in center
    Ref.: Duplessy 1228, Roberts 4226, De Wit 442

    Med-16-CrLuc-1035-Henry III-D-3691.jpg
    Crusader Imitation - Lucca
    Henry III-V, r. 1035-1125
    Crude AR Denier, 15.27mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: H center, IMPERATOR around
    Rev.: LVCA forming cross, ENRICVS around; Ref.: De Witt, 3691
    Note: Found in Holy Land
     
  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I only have one Crusader coin which was gifted to me as a child by a next door neighbor. I believe he got in the Levant while on vacation there. Sadly, it turned out to be a fake.

    Here is an authentic example: Bohemund VII of Tripolis and Antioch, AR Grosso

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  6. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I was about to say - hearing how your neighbor got the coin sounds like you should be suspicious of it’s authenticity, but that coin looked awfully real to me!
     
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