Mediaeval Elizabeth I

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  1. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    In ancient coin terms, just by size alone I am assuming an Elizabeth I shilling
    31.mm, 5.84gm is worth more than an equal condition Six Pence 25.mm, 2.6gm ??

    I have owned several Elizabeth I six pence coins however I have this Elizabeth I shilling and do not know it's aprox. worth??? One interesting thing about this coin is that it was struck during the years of the Spanish Armada readying its attack on England & possibly during year of the actual battle itself...
    Anyone who knows Medieval England coins may wish to inform me somewhat...
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  3. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I don't know what it's worth, but I strongly suggest that you don't list it as medieval: nobody would classify Elizabeth I's reign as such.
     
  4. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    You’d be surprised that people figure anything before 1800 is medieval.

    Way too many people call Shakespearean lingo “old English.”
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Considering the graffiti on it, I would say its about $200.
     
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  6. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Surprised a ‘coin doctor’ didn’t smooth out the graffiti over the years
     
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  7. The Meat man

    The Meat man Well-Known Member

    That's a nice coin!
     
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  8. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    I have heard many argue over when the medieval period began & petered out,
    I myself am not to stringent these specific dates, any period that have flouncy
    cloths, surfs & peasents, Knights & jousting I naturally think of medieval castles
    with all being a part of the Medieval Period... however, I would love to know
    your position on what dates constitute the medieval period...?
     
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  9. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    I'm kinda thinking it would cost as much as any added value to have the graffiti smoothed out, & then one would have the comment of smoothing added if graded
    again???
     
  10. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Nice coin!

    I would put Elizabeth I into the period that I would generally call the late Renaissance. Her reign, so distinctive in terms the growing international power of England, as well as achievements in the arts, in particular, is known, of course, as the Elizabethan Age.

    How little Henry VIII would know that his daughter, deemed illegitimate following the execution of her mother, would become one the greatest monarchs in British history.

    The year 1600 generally marks the start of the Baroque period.
     
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  11. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    1500 is the generally-accepted date for the end of the late medieval period and the beginning of early modern. Also around the same time for the Reformation. The Renaissance overlaps, and began at different times in different places.

    But you will only make people think you don't know anything about the period if you call it medieval.
     
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  12. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    As Donna said above, 1500 is the generally accepted end date of the Middle Ages.

    If you want to be more precise, though, the years between c. 1440 and 1540 are often considered a transitional century between the medieval and the early modern period. This century saw a large number of political, military, social and religious events as well as scientific discoveries and technological innovations that were to profoundly shape the early modern world:

    1439: Johannes Gutenberg invents movable type printing
    1453: Ottoman conquest of Constantinople
    1461: Empire of Trebizond falls to the Turks, final end of Byzantine rule
    1462: Cosimo de Medici and Marsilio Ficino establish the "Platonic Academy" at Florence
    1469: The marriage between Ferdinand II and Isabella unifies Spain
    1475: Abraham Zacuto's Almanach perpetuum, start of precise astronavigation
    1492: Fall of Granada, end of the Spanish Reconquista
    1492: Columbus reaches America
    1498: Vasco da Gama first reaches India by sea
    c. 1500: Development of the wheellock handgun
    c. 1503–1506: Leonardo da Vinci paints the Mona Lisa
    1507: Martin Waldseemüller creates the first world map showing America
    1509: Henry VIII becomes king of England
    1511: Peter Henlein invents the portable watch
    1517: Luther's 95 theses, start of the Protestant Reformation
    1519: Hernán Cortés arrives in Mexico
    1521: Diet of Worms, marks first overt schism of the western church
    1526: Sack of Rome
    1533: Pizarro's conquest of the Inca Empire
    1534: First Act of Supremacy, start of English Reformation
    1543: Andreas Vesalius publishes De humani corporis fabrica, start of modern anatomy
    1543: Nikolaus Kopernikus publishes De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, heliocentric model of the solar system
     
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  13. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the first milled coins! Even in England, albeit later than the Continent.
     
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  14. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    I sometimes see the entire Byzantine series right up to 1453 categorized as "ancient" in the trade, making "medieval" a much shorter period than I had always assumed (please visualize a sarcastically-placed rubbing-the-chin-in-deep-thought emoji at this point).

    On a more serious note, I tend to blame the Krause catalogs, which begin arbitrarily at 1601, for the popular misconception that anything prior is "medieval".
     
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  15. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    And don't forget Tycho Brahe.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tycho-Brahe-Danish-astronomer
     
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  16. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    You /Donna nailed it with admirable concision. Along with other folks' alerts to the various nuances involved ...into which numismatics throws its own set of monkey wrenches. You're talking about two many contexts at once, only starting with the geography, for there to be one inherently meaningful cut-off point. It's a moving target.
     
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  17. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    Well thank you Donna for bringing the medieval context into this post,
    I am quite a casual individual so I do not quibble over a hundred years
    one way or the other, but it is good to now know that I shall not call
    anything after 1500 ad. "medieval", as I don't wish to look the total fool
    when it comes to coin periods...
     
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