Maximian Alexandrian Tetradrachm ID help needed

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Question for folks with Dattari or Milne:

    I obtained this Alexandrian tet of Maximianus as part of a group lot and the reignal year is off the flan, unfortunately, as is the exergue. But after looking at examples online, it's pretty clear it's not year Є or I because the letters denoting those years appear just to the right of the L in the upper left field. Year Z typically appears in the lower right field--and I suspect this is what this coin is--such as in Milne 5048.

    The question I have is whether Dikaiosyne standing left appears on any other year and what particular year(s) might this be.

    Thanks in advance.

    Maximian Alexandrian tetradrachm.jpg

    The reverse in particular:

    Maximian Alexandrian tetradrachm rev.jpg
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Per Emmett, Maximian / Dikaiosyne standing left was struck in regnal years 1 (R4), 5 (R1), 7 (R3), 8 (R5), 10 (R5), and 11 (R4), with a questionable appearance of the reverse in year 3.

    I'm not sure which year yours is.
     
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  4. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    I don't know anything about ancients but that is cool.
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    (continuing)

    Based on the presence of letters before his name (which your coin clearly has), your coin is going to be from year 1, 3, or 5. However, Emmett's summary of legends for various years are occasionally wrong or incomplete.

    Years 1-5: AKMAOVAMAΞIMIANOCCEB
    Years 1-4: AKMOVAMAΞIMIANOCCEB
    Years 6-11: MAΞIMIANOCCEB

    There is a question mark for year 3, which generally means that such a coin was reported by another author but that the images were unreadable or that there was otherwise good cause to doubt the existence.

    On your coin, I think the letter representing the year is partly off flan and distorted:

    CT-RomanCollector-MaximianTet.jpg

    I have not observed consistency in the placement of the dates so I wouldn't put stock in this not being a year 5 based on the placement.
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Thanks, @TIF ! You don't suppose that L is actually a big L with a tiny A, do you? The obverse inscription is clearly longer, so it's got to be year 1 (Big L merged with little A) or 3 (Gamma); the year 5 ones have a curved epsilon which is uniformly to the right of the L on all online examples).
     
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  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    No, I've never seen anything like that.
     
  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I think that vertical line below the cornucopiae is a ribbon hanging down. I wonder if this is a year A, with the A partially off the flan in the lower right field, reconstructed as:

    Maximian Alexandrian tetradrachm reverse inscription.jpg
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yes, I think it is year 1. The legend is AKMAOVAMAΞIMIANOCCEB, leaving only year 1 and a dubious year 3 as possibilities.

    CT-RomanCollector-MaxTet_edited-1.jpg
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much, @TIF for your help and for sending me photos of Dattari's book. After looking at the catalog listing and the plates, I think it is most likely 5850, which has an epsilon in the right field (all the online examples I've seen are 5849, with the epsilon next to the L in the left field). This is statistically more likely than it being 5848 (less rare, per Emmet). That one has a star in the upper left field and the L is below the scales in the lower left field. On my coin, there is an L and no star in the upper left field and the figure of Dikaiosyne seems to be more similar to 5850 in the plate example.

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    Here's the reverse again for comparison:

    Maximian Alexandrian tetradrachm rev.jpg

    And the possible placement of an epsilon on the die based upon plate 5850 in Dattari:

    Maximian Alexandrian tetradrachm reverse inscription.jpg
     
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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think that's a reasonable guess, although exactly which edge "wrinkle" is part of the year letter is debatable (and probably not particularly elucidative).

    Edit: I take that back. That curve is rather believable as an epsilon :)
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Dikaiosyne has quite the hourglass figure, no?
     
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    For grins, here's the BMC listing. This clearly is Dattari 5849:

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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Not sure that was considered beautiful back in the day. I would think good birthin' hips and a heavier figure was considered more attractive. Only my guess.
     
  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm going to tentatively attribute it as:

    Maximian, 1st reign, AD 286-305
    Roman billon tetradrachm, 16.2 mm, 7.29 g
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 289-290
    Obv: A K M A OVA MAΞIMIANOC CЄB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right
    Rev: Dikaiosyne standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae; L in left field and Є (year 5 = 289/290) in right field
    Refs: Dattari 5850; Similar to BMCG 2550 and RCV 13345 (different placement of Є).

    Can anyone look up SNG Cologne 3305 or Milne 4922, please?
     
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  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Here are the relevant Milne excerpts (hasty pictures of Maximian tets with mention of Dikaiosyne standing). I haven't read through them and there may be more entries of interest. Milne is awkwardly arranged.

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  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Be careful, the Dark Side is addicting. :)
     
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  18. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    Haha will do has any body ever found an ancient maybe I the ground or possibly in circulation tbh that's the only way I'm getting one.


    Thanks,
    Jacob
     
  19. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    There are plenty for sale online that are literally only a few bucks.
     
  20. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    I can never find any good looking ones that aren't a ton and idk if they are real or not also its pretty hard for me to order things.


    Thanks,
    Jacob
     
  21. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Ah got it. If I had any ancients I didn't need I'd send you one as a gift but unfortunately I just sold my last ones.
     
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