Manuel I AE Half Tetarteron, Thessalonica Mint, Sear 1977?

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  1. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Here's a coin out of a large lot that arrived yesterday. It is a half tetarteron of Manuel I, Thessalonica Mint, 1143-1180 AD.

    I believe it is Sear 1977, but the reverse is different. The coins that I have encountered as Sear 1977 have a half facing portrait of Manuel I on the reverse, while this coin has basically a full length figure, truncated at the bottom by the flan.

    I cannot find an example with the full standing figure through the Internet.

    Does anyone have a Sear number for this coin, or is Sear 1977 applicable?

    2.0 grams with some light scratches on both sides.

    D-Camera Manuel I AE Half Tetarteron.Thessalonica Mint 1143-80 AD 2.0g Roma 80 large lot 2-17-21.jpg

    While I'm at it, here's one more coin from the same lot. This one is an odd-ball, with a reverse with a geometrical design that I have not seen before, but that might be due to my lack of experience with these Byzantine post-follis coins.

    I think this coin is imitative. It weighs 2.3 grams and is quite crude.

    I don't know if I have correct orientation of the reverse.

    D-Camera I AE Half Tetarteron.possible imitation 2.3g Roma 80 large lot 2-20-21.jpg

    Thanks
     
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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    The reverse may be a biblically correct angel or seraphim like below

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  4. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Empire Of Nicaea. John III, Ducas-Vatatzes. 1222-1254 AD. AE Tetarteron.
    SBCV 2116
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    John III Ducas Vatatzes, 1222-1254 AD, Tetarteron, Magnesia.
    SBCV 2115
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  5. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Thank you!

    The reverse on the second coin was abstract to the degree that I would not have considered that possibility.
     
  6. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Here are the two coins, properly labeled and the sides of the second ordered and oriented correctly.

    Empire of Nicaea, 1222-1254
    John III Ducas (Vatatzes)
    Æ Tetarteron
    Magnesia Mint
    Bust of St. George facing, holding spear and shield / John standing facing, holding labarum and akakia.
    Some very light scratches both sides.
    DOC 58; SB 2116
    About VF
    Ex Roma E-Sale 80, Large Lot 1864
    2.0 grams

    D-Camera Nicaea Empire, John III Ducas Tetarteron. Magnesia Mint 2.0g Roma 80 large lot 2-17-21.jpg

    Empire of Nicaea, 1222-1254
    John III Ducas (Vatatzes)
    Æ Tetarteron
    Magnesia Mint
    Obverse: head of a cherub with four wings, pellets flanking on left and right.
    Reverse: ..O∆(?).., John seated facing on throne with back, wearing stemma with pendilia, chlamys, and divitision, labarum in left hand, globus cruciger in left hand.
    DOC IV-2 57, Wroth BMC 32, Hendy pl. 34, 3, SBCV 2115.
    Ex Roma E-Sale 80, Large Lot 1864
    VF, Rare
    2.3 grams

    D-Camera Nicaea Empire, John III Ducas, tetarteion SBVC 2215  2.3g Roma 80 large lot 2-20-21.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2021
  7. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    There is something quite attractive about tetartera. Here is mine, but I want more!

    tetartcombo.jpg
     
  8. The Trachy Enjoyer

    The Trachy Enjoyer Well-Known Member

    The seraph types are my all time favorite Byzantine coin design! EdjQa2pXsAAlcei.jpg
    Here is a modern attempt to draw one.... :()

    I own one seraph type: two heads (alternatively six eyes), four wings and two arms holding spears s-l1600.png
     
  9. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for the excellent coins!

    Here's one more, from the same lot. This coin is a nice grade.

    Byzantine Empire, 1143-1180
    Manuel I Comnenus
    Æ half tetarteron,
    Obverse: Half bust facing, wearing crown and loros, holding labarum and globus cruciger.
    Reverse: Monogram.
    Sear BCV 1979
    Nice VF
    Ex Roma E-Sale 80, Large Lot 1864
    1.7 grams

    D-Camera Byzantine Empire Manuel I Comnenus half tetarteion BCV 1977 1.7g Roma 80 lg lt 2-21-21.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2021
  10. catadc

    catadc Well-Known Member

    It is 1979.
    Look for "1977" in posts by BenSi; he explained once the difference between 1977 and 1979.
     
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