Machine doubling?

I'm looking at 2001-P Lincoln that looks to me like a double-die, but I still have trouble determining machine doubling vs a true double die. Is there something in particular that I can look at to rule out one or the other? In particular I'm looking at ONE CEnt, there appears to be a strong double on the bottoms of ONE and tapers sw on the CE then fades into the NT lightly. The upper 3 left columns appear doubled on the left side. I'm sorry I can't post pics yet, but I just finally broke down and bought a camera and will have it within a few days. I will post pics then even if only for educational purposes.

 

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My bad. Didn't mean to ask a stupid question, but I am new to coin collecting and trying to learn. My local dealer seems to think it is doubled, but he has rattled my confidence before. Since the doubling seems to be isolated to the West and Southwest, if it were machine doubling, wouldn't the whole area between the columns and down to ONE be doubled? Like the left of the memorial and planter?

 

Got any pictures?

 

I have a camera on the way and will hopefully have it by Thursday/Friday. I have never needed one before I started collecting and now I find this is the 2nd time I needed to post pics, so I broke down and bought one. I have studied pictures all over the internet, including the broken links at the top of this page. Either I'm stupid, or I need to hold one of each in my hand and get the experience. But, the doubling on the ONE looks very similar to GOD in the hub doubling pic at the top of this thread. The doubling of the columns seems to be limited to within the column length between the cornice and the base.

 

Machine doubling is usually squared of and lower than the main lettering , If you look at a '55 Linclon DD , The doubling is rounded and about the same height . JMO
rzage

 

Its not even that simple. Real doubling is a variety and should have documentation of an exact repeating pattern. On Ike's this issue becomes clearer because there is just so much Machine doubling.

Ruben

 

Read, then re-read the section In Cherry Pickers Guide on

Read, then re-read the section In Cherry Pickers Guide on true doubled dies verses other forms of doubling, then read it again.

 

http://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html This may help some, maybe!

 

Thanks Abe, that did help clarify a lot more. That was a great article and in the future I will try to curb my enthusiasm. Like so many others that get shot down with machine doubling, it looks like you can add me to the list. I will post the pics anyway when I get them. A guy I work with is supposed to bring in a camera tonight, so hopefully I will have some up a little later. If not, I will still put them up when I get my camera.

 

It's a good idea to post those pictures so others can get an idea what to look for

 

Hey one never knows when you might have a ringer! Ask Ziggy!

 

Many pictures are available on coppercoins.com and lincolncentresource.com that you might use to see if yours is similar.

 

I have a section on Machine Doubling with a lot of photos on my website here:
http://www.lincoln-cents.cuvelier.org/OFD/MD.html

 

On the 1983
MD cent, photo "N" is the one that confuses me. It looks so much like a DD.

 

RockDude - will definitely post pics when I have them!

Jim M - that's what I keep hoping for!

trogdor - that's what started this whole mess. I was looking for a couple of the minor dd's they have listed when I found this and it was not listed there

jcuve - thanks for the link, the ONE at the bottom looks similar to your exhibit F pic, but I'm still a little suspicious of the columns but I have to assume it is part of the machining process

I will post pics as soon as I have them!

Thank you everybody for your feedback - this is a great forum.

 

It's just very mild MD, what some would call ejection doubling I believe. There are no notches and there isn't any extra size (or thickness) to the letters

 

Best pic so far

Sorry it took so long and sorry this is all I have so far. Still waiting on MY camera. This one I aggravated a friend for. (Hope I attached right!)

 

OK, that didn't work so good. How do I get my pic down to 250K?

 

Sorry everybody.. I hope this pic comes out a little better.

 

That's better. Assuming MD under the ONE ( it looks like exhibit F from earlier), would it also MD on the left of cols 1-3 like this?