Lincoln die rotation

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  1. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    Do all the dies always rotate clockwise? I have I 1994 cent I found that that is rotated counter clockwise is that possible? I cant find anything out counter clockwise rotation so that's why I'm asking
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Interesting. I think that all rotations are only measured in a clockwise manner. Remember you start at 0 degrees then go all the way around to 360 degrees. And that would be for all US coins not just the Lincoln Cent. But I'm not 100% sure. I will investigate.
     
  4. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    Much appreciated
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    And that would be for all US coins not just the Lincoln Cent
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    So I found something called a Rota Flip Guide. It measures the coin rotation Clockwise and counter-clockwise. And only 180 degrees in both directions. That's why I said I was not 100% sure. I always had the same question you have also.
    Rota Flip.JPG
     
  7. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    Yea it just threw me off seeing a counterclockwise rotation for the first time
     
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  8. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Are you seeing a counter clockwise location or an over 180 degree clockwise rotation?? :banghead:
     
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  9. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    That is the million dollar question my friend haha
     
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  10. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    The 180 degree, CW and CCW designations are the generally accepted expressions of die rotations.
    What I don't understand is why it's always the reverse die that's rotated. Can't the obverse die rotate too?:confused:
     
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  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Usually, the obverse die is the anvil die, and the reverse die is the hammer die.

    Chris
     
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  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Think of it this way.. The obverse can't be rotated because no matter how you look at the obverse it's always correct. So when you turn the coin around the Reverse should be upside down. If not that's when we notice the rotation. Make any sense?... Unless you are standing right in front of the minting machine and look at the hammer die which has the Obverse image to see if it's rotated. Then physically take the coin to see if it's Obverse is rotated.

    Chris, Yes and no. Usually, the Obverse Die is the hammer die and the Reverse Die the Anvil. But there are times where the mint sets up an inverted strike where the Obv and Rev dies are switched.
    HammerAnvil.JPG
     
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  13. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    The obverse can only be rotated if you look at the reverse first.
     
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  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Maybe I shouldn't try to do laundry at the same time!:woot::woot::woot::woot:

    Is this the same for horizontal presses, too?

    Chris
     
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  15. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    I have found two 1994 rotations CRH. One is 170, the other is 165. One is counterclock wise, the other is clock wise. It appears that I have found both of the biggest rotations for that year.
    IMG_20150226_173512.jpg
    Here is the 165
     
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  16. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Where is the center line for each coin? I've searched. A person may not even know the coin is rotated without some reference to center.
     
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  17. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I believe coinman is showing us a photo of the coin over a mirror. Since Lincoln is shown upright, the Memorial should be upside down.

    Chris
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That is so cool! I've never seen a rotation like that on a cent that modern.
     
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  19. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    Chris is correct. I took the photo over the mirror to show the rotation of the coin. If it were normal the memorial would be upside down. On my coin it is right-side-up. that means that the rotation is fairly large.
     
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  20. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I was so happy when I was blessed with one, a 1994 70 degree rotation error, $25 worth of pennies later when I would another one, this one being 65 degrees (the one shown in the photo) I was thinking that I had to have been dreaming.
    Here are the two 1994 rotations I found
    photo (22).JPG

    Also, What is the rotation of your 1994 Bryant? Is it a rather large rotation or very minor? Some large rotations can be quite collectible.
     
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