Licinius I interesting denomination

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    From a bulk lot. It has an interesting denomination. Post anything you feel is relevant.

    Sear (RCV iv, p. 377) writes that some have suggested that the curious numerical formula on the reverse field (shown here in the listing in RIC vii, p. 607) ...

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    ... indicates a revaluation of the follis from 25 to 12-1/2 denarii (c.f. Carson, Coins of the Roman Empire, p. 167).

    Moreover, the adoption of the radiate crown (seen better in hand than in this photo) may be connected with Licinius's devotion to the sun-god Sol Invictus at a time when the survival of paganism was being threatened by Licinius's western colleague, Constantine I.

    Licinius I IOVI CONSERVATORI follis Nicomedia.jpg

    Licinius I, AD 308-324
    Roman billon follis, 3.32 g, 20.2 mm, 5:00
    Nicomedia, AD 318-324
    Obv: IMP C VAL LICIN LICINIVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right
    Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory on globe and eagle-tipped scepter, another eagle to feet to left, captive seated on ground to right; X/IIΓ in field, right
    Refs: RIC 44; Cohen 74; RCV 15223.
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Licinius' revaluation only shows up on coins from mints under his control but was not accepted at mints under Constantine. There are coins of each ruler minted by the opposite mint so it is possible to get 12 1/2 coins in Constantine. When Licinius was eliminated, so were the reform coins.
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Looking at all my Licinius I coins, I have none with this kind of marking. But here is my favorite anyway:
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    LICINIUS I
    AE3 Follis
    OBVERSE: IMP LICI-NIVS AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding globe, sceptre & mappa
    REVERSE: PROVIDEN-TIAE AVGG, campgate with three turrets, no door, delta in right field SMHA in ex.
    Struck at Heraclea 318-320 AD
    3.0g, 18mm
    RIC VII 48
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Cool and interesting denomination @Roman Collector !

    I only have one from Licinius I

    RI Licinius I 308-324 CE AE3 Jupiter w Eagle.jpg
    RI Licinius I 308-324 CE AE3 Jupiter w Eagle
     
  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Keep an eye out for the overlooked Martinian issued for this X/IIΓ series when sifting through your bulk lot... I know I always do. One can hope, right? :D

    I have a Licinius and a Jr.

    Licinius - Iovi SMALA 1298.jpg
    Licinius II - Iovi SMANT 1303.jpg
     
  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I didn't realize the meaning of the field marks on my Jr. Thanks!!

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  8. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here's a couple of Constantine from mints controlled by Licinius. Notice, also, the presence of the captive on the reverse. I don't know of any other coins with Jupiter reverses from this time period with a captive besides these 1/2 nummi (or 1/2 folli).
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    Antioch mint, A.D. 321-323
    RIC 34
    Obv: IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI - Jupiter, leaning on eagle-tipped scepter, holding Victory on globe; eagle with wreath at feet to right, captive to left
    SMANTB in exergue; X over IIM (truncated) in right field
    19 mm, 3.1 g.
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    Nicomedia mint, A.D. 321-324
    RIC 43
    Obv: IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI - Jupiter, leaning on eagle-tipped scepter, holding Victory on globe; eagle with wreath at feet to right, captive to left
    SMNB in exergue; X over IIM (truncated) in right field
    19 mm, 2.7 g.

    And then there's these two head scratchers from mints under Constantine's control:
    1)
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    Rome mint, A.D. 312-313
    RIC 360
    Obv: FL VAL CONSTANTINVS AVG
    Rev: VIRT EXE-RCIT GALL - Virtus, standing, looking right, holding parazonium and leaning on reversed spear
    RT in exergue; X in left field, VI in right
    20 x 18 mm, 2.6 g.

    Victor Clark has an interesting write-up about the above coin here:
    http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/fractions/

    2)
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    Ticinum mint, A.D. 320
    RIC 131
    Obv: CONSTAN-TINVS AVG
    Rev: D N CONSTANTINI MAX AVG - Wreath enclosing VOT/XX
    TT in exergue; [star] in center
    19 mm, 2.5 g.
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a radiate Licinius I too. Actually, I thought it was a rare type but had never bothered to fully attribute it. If I had, I would have seen it was pretty common. I'd post the picture but I am on vacation at the beach right now.
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Actually I've got the image on my laptop, so here it is, uncleaned hoard example!

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