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  1. Flipacoin58

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Looks like a struck-through-die cap nickel.
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Finally.. A clear picture!
    Capped Die strike. Split Die cap
     
  5. Flipacoin58

    Flipacoin58 New Member

    Any value in a coin like this? I'm a civil war nut don't know much about coins.
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Yes. That would have a great premium. I have similar ones.. just a capped die that I paid about $75.00 certified by NGC
    Here is one..
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  7. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    Nice error. Looks to be a very late stage one at that.

    It's also interesting that the obverse die has such a strong bisecting rim to rim die crack that seems to be obstructed by the die cap.

    I looked at cuds-on-coins and there are no listings for 1982p Jefferson nickels with Bisecting rim to rim die cracks.
    Heres the link http://cuds-on-coins.com/rim-to-rim-die-cracks-on-u-s-coins-2/
    (Scroll almost to the bottom to 1980's nickels.)

    I'm not sure they would list this one but they might take into account that part of it is obscured by the die cap, if you are interested.
     
  8. Flipacoin58

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  9. Flipacoin58

    Flipacoin58 New Member

    Thanks that was very interesting
     
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  10. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    You're Welcome.
    One of the good things about that site is you can reach out to them by email to see if they will list it. Include images or even a link to this thread and they will usually reply.
     
  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Wow, what a find. Keep us up on what you decide to do. Thanks for posting it.
     
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Much better photos. Thanks for the post.
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    @Flipacoin58
    Here is an example of what you have..

    Not my coin
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  14. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Newb alert... If a die was capped by a coin how could it make any positive impression on a successive strike? I wouldn't expect to see very much detail if any at all.
     
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  15. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    on cuds on coins it looks a lot like RRDC-5c-1996P-02R
    it's not, because it's not a 1996P, but it looks like the same kind issue on the obverse.
    http://cuds-on-coins.com/rim-to-rim-die-cracks-on-u-s-coins-2/

    personally I think its the same type of thing, Obverse Struck through a split capped die as the note on the 1996P suggests.
     
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  16. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    at first it leaves an impression of the reverse, then as it keeps striking it gets smoother and thinner, and the die face starts showing through the cap as it keeps getting thinner, and the cap begins to crack and split, yada yada until it falls off or is removed.
     
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  17. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    Others have a lot more experience than I but the reason I was thinking this may be a bisecting die crack on the die is that for the obverse details to be showing through this well it must be a very late stage die cap.

    And if it is (Very Late Stage Die Cap) I wouldn't think the raised line would be as tall as it appears. The die cap gets thinner and thinner with each strike. Not much of the die cap would be left to obscure the obverse details or to create that tall of a raised line. I was thinking some of the metal was being forced into a crack on the die.

    IMHO a die crack could also help "hold" the die cap to the die.
     
  18. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    the thickness of the nickel that is capped on the die goes from 1.95mm on the first strike but gets thinner on successive strikes, way down to almost like foil thickness if nobody removes it (0.016 mm) all that material is going somewhere up and around the die or folded over on itself.
    once the cap starts all kinds of things can happen with defromations, lips and fold overs and splits.
     
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  19. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    Thanks John.
    The overall height and sharpness of the edges is what resembled a crack as opposed to a folded over piece of planchet.

    "...all that material is going somewhere up..."

    Exactly why I was thinking it resembled a die crack, since a coin struck by a very late die cap (thin as foil) wouldn't have much depth before it met the die face.

    Thanks again to all that take some time to help a feller understand and take a look at it from a different perspective. "The old grey matter (and eyes) aren't what they use to be."
     
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  20. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    So a late stage capped die would show details of the dies devices where an early stage would show less to none or even maybe even a mirror image of the object capping the die?
     
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  21. Flipacoin58

    Flipacoin58 New Member

    I said before that I'm a civil war nut ,I think I should get this nickel in the hands of someone who will enjoy it more than me.Thanks to all for your time I learned something.
     
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