Large Cent Reverse of 1797

About all I can tell is that it has 19 leaves on the right. Any ideas on the date from the pictures?

 

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@Marshall

 

I see all the earmarks of the 1801 S-221 and think I can make out that date when I enlarge it. reference points match so I cannot exclude it, though I haven't taken the time to exclude all others.

 

Agree it looks like an 1801.

 

More picture in natural sunlight; rotated coin to get the light at diff angles. You guys are good! I think I see the 01 in a couple of shots!
Thank you!

 

If there is sufficient detail even without a date, I can usually identify it. The reverses on these are remarkably diagnostic.

 

I see the 01 too in better pics

 

+1

 

So I think because you can read the date this is at least an AG3, but is there enough detail for a G4 or not? Thanks.

 

Whatever the year, I'd like to hear the stories this coin could tell!

 

You are so right! Wow more than 217 years of American history!

 

I'd guess it would come back AG Details Environmental Damage and would consider it a net Fr2.

I don't give it a details grade higher than AG3 unless date, LIBERTY and Reverse Legends are all there or are missing due to die failure or damage unrelated to wear.

Of course, I'm used to EAC grading standards which are tougher than TPG market grading.

 

Thanks it has lived a rough life!

 

This is my S-221 in similar condition, but I believe it to be a transition die state with the reground obverse of the S-216 (Obverse 4) which is the same Obverse in a later state and called Obverse 8 on the S-221. If it is what I suspect, then it would indicate S-221 was struck prior to S-216, the opposite of what Walter Breen speculated.

 

You are the BOMB. Thanks for helping us members

 

Yes thank you again for your expertise and willingness to help! It is very much appreciated.

 

While Noyes agrees with the S-221 preceding the S-216, he has not seen the lapped/reground version he calls State C on the S-221 or a State B on the S-221 which is why my die state would be special.

On lower grades of these varieties, the typical die alignment is even on the S-221 and slightly misaligned toward the top on the S-216. This appears to leave half a letter height to the top rim on the state C of the S-216 and a full letter height to the top rim on the S-221.

You can see the difference on the subject coin and mine.

Thanks for letting me ramble on. I'm into die states.

 

I like your attention to detail. What I think you said is the the distance from the top of the letter S in States on the reverse is a full letter height on the S-221 but is only half as high on the S-216 due to a slightly MAD?

What I don't see is the the relapped or reground reverse...obvious you are in the stratosphere compared to most of us mere mortals when it comes to variety study!

 

My first thought was 1801. Glad my eyes didn’t deceive me

 

It's actually the obverse die which is lapped and misaligned. The reverses are different dies. I use the B, E and R for spacing. On higher grades, the dentils are seen on the S-221 while they are mushy on the S-216 due to lapping.