Japanese coin with large square hole

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  1. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Hiya can anyone hello identify this coin. Personally from what ive seen it could be from about 200bd. Im hoping someone can give me a date and origin and possibly a estimate on value. Im probably wrong that's why im asking on here. Thanks in advance for any info
     

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  3. manymore

    manymore Chinese Charms

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    The inscription is 嘉祐通寳 which was used on Chinese coins cast during the years 1056-1063 of the reign of Emperor Ren Zong of the Northern Song Dynasty.

    The Japanese also minted coins with the same inscription during the years 1668-1685 and are known as "Nagasaki Trade Coins".

    However, there is a difference in the calligraphy between the Chinese and Japanese versions of the coin.

    Based on the calligraphy, the coin appears to be the Chinese version.

    Large quantities of Chinese cash coins were imported into Japan so it would not be unusual to find Song Dynasty coins in Japan.

    Even though it is almost a thousand years old, this Song Dynasty coin is both common and inexpensive.

    Gary
     
    manymore, Sep 28, 2014
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  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    I find it hard to distinguish the Chinese from the Japanese coins of this era. I will be interested to see what our experts here have to tell you.
     
    Kentucky, Sep 27, 2014
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  5. Timewarp

    Timewarp Intrepid Traveler

    Need a picture of the other side too.
     
    Timewarp, Sep 27, 2014
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  6. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    what he said....... Rev side.
     
    Galen59, Sep 27, 2014
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  7. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    does it look like this? IMG_0004.jpg
     
    Galen59, Sep 27, 2014
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  8. manymore

    manymore Chinese Charms

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    The inscription is 嘉祐通寳 which was used on Chinese coins cast during the years 1056-1063 of the reign of Emperor Ren Zong of the Northern Song Dynasty.

    The Japanese also minted coins with the same inscription during the years 1668-1685 and are known as "Nagasaki Trade Coins".

    However, there is a difference in the calligraphy between the Chinese and Japanese versions of the coin.

    Based on the calligraphy, the coin appears to be the Chinese version.

    Large quantities of Chinese cash coins were imported into Japan so it would not be unusual to find Song Dynasty coins in Japan.

    Even though it is almost a thousand years old, this Song Dynasty coin is both common and inexpensive.

    Gary
     
    manymore, Sep 28, 2014
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  9. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Mine is Japanese, I was waiting for a follow up.
     
    Galen59, Sep 28, 2014
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  10. manymore

    manymore Chinese Charms

    The Chinese coin has a blank reverse which I believe will also be the case for the OP's coin.

    Gary
     
    manymore, Sep 28, 2014
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  11. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Sorry not seen a 13 or lesser back to Japanese cash coin.
    Lines on back.
     
    Galen59, Sep 28, 2014
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  12. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Chinese for sure, I'll have to study this one.
     
    Galen59, Sep 28, 2014
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  13. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    But even blanks are confusing.
     
    Galen59, Sep 28, 2014
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  14. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Here's the back, it's just blank.
    So to sum it up even though its over 1000 years old its not worth nothing :-(
     

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  15. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Thought this might have been the valuable coin to get me collecting but its just made me curious
     
    mrfish85, Oct 4, 2014
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Curiosity is the starting point for many collectors.
     
    Kentucky, Oct 4, 2014
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  17. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Definitely curious. This one and a 1861 five confederate dollars got me looking. Only to find out that my confederate note is a counterfeit
     
    mrfish85, Oct 4, 2014
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  18. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    Sometimes that's all it takes.
     
    mlov43, Oct 4, 2014
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  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    How do you know it is a fake?
     
    Kentucky, Oct 6, 2014
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  20. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Ive seen others with same serial number
     

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  21. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Ok, Ok, we started with Japanese cash coin, went to Chinese, ended up on Confederate currency? Whaa...?
     
    Galen59, Oct 7, 2014
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  22. mrfish85

    mrfish85 New Member

    Its took that path as i thought coin was Japanese. It was identified as chinese and now just discussing what's made me curious about coins
     
    mrfish85, Oct 7, 2014
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