It's a Giving Time of Year

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by nicholasz219, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    ...if you are Septimius Severus!

    I was able to pick up this LIBERALITAS AVG VI issue pretty cheaply. There is a bit of discoloration in a few spots, but the overall coin detail is strong enough that I purchased the coin to have an example of a scarcer type.

    In reading up on the LIBERALITAS issues, there is seemingly not a lot of information to be found or much certainty of the dates of these largesses to the citizens of Rome. If I am missing some key source that I am not thinking of here, please fellow Severan collectors, advise. RIC has 209 (?) for the date of the sixth largesse which seems to make sense I guess if Septimius left Rome afterward to deal with Britain and was out of Rome until his death.

    In any case, it is an interesting issue to me and I enjoy the depiction of the coin counter (coin dispenser or abacus, when described differently) on the reverse.

    Open season on all of the Severans or Liberalitas types! 5481 (1) 5482 (1).jpg

    Septimius Severus, Denarius, LIBERALITAS AVG VI
    AR Denarius
    Septimius Severus
    Augustus: 193 - 211AD
    Issued: 209AD
    21.0 x 19.0mm 3.60gr
    O: SEVERVS PIVS AVG; Laureate head, right.
    R: LIBERALITAS AVG VI; Liberalitas standing left, holding coin dispenser and cornucopia.
    Rome Mint
    RIC 278a; RSC 298; Sear 6306; BMC 349.
    Aorta: 783: B3, O81, R178, T108, M4.
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    That is a cool reverse type, and is still on my list. It has been a long time since I picked up any SS denarius, like 4 years ago??

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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice one @nicholasz219
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    SEPTIMIUS SEVERUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right
    REVERSE: RESTITVTOR VRBIS, Roma seated left holding palladium & spear, round sheild below
    Struck at Rome, 207 AD
    1.9g, 19mm
    RIC 288
     
  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Sweet Liberalitas reverse. Liberalitas on coins is thought to commemorate a gift of money given by the emperor to his troops, which was basically a bribe to keep your loyal troops from accidentally plunging a knife into your back, or slitting your throat. It appears that the Praetorian Guards, and increasingly the legions themselves, were very accident prone with their emperors, but emperors soon caught on to the fact that the more bribe money "donatives" that they gave to their soldiers, the lesser these accidental stabbings and slitting of throats seemed to happen.

    The emperors did tend to give gifts of money to citizens too at the same time the army got theirs, but no doubt the propaganda of Liberalitas at this time period was aimed at the soldiers, as donative to the army became a top priority for emperors. Severus started the tradition of focusing on keeping the army bribed and happy, while ignoring the Senate. As long as the army was with you, you could afford not to focus as much on the rest of the population.

    I have one of Gordian III. Notice mine says LIBERALITAS AVG II. The number II commemorates a second such donation. As emperors gave one when they came to power, and usually one during a major event like a wedding, this one might have been minted for the donative Gordian III would have been expected to give the soldiers to celebrate his imperial wedding. An interesting thing is that we know Gordian III had three such events based on his coin legends. I suspect the third could have been to motivate his soldiers for the upcoming campaign against Parthia. A little cash goes a long way towards making soldiers feel better about marching through the bitter deserts of the Middle East.

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    And to keep on with the focus on Septimius Severus, here are my coins of his. The first minted in the East probably during the Civil Wars, and the second with the Neptune reverse no doubt commemorates the Emperor's upcoming crossing of the English channel for his military campaign in Britania. I'm sure Neptune was pleased with being on the coins, because Severus had no issues crossing the channel.

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  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice coin!

    I don't have a Sep Sev Liberalitas, but here's a Geta.

    Lot - Geta denarius.jpg GETA
    AR Denarius. 3.13g, 20mm. Rome mint, AD 211. RIC IV 89. O: P SEPT GETA PIVS AVG BRIT, laureate, bearded head right. R: LIBERALI-TAS AVG V, Liberalitas standing half left holding counting board and cornucopiae; globe at feet to left.
    Ex Collection of an old Swiss Gentleman whose wife wouldn't let him keep his coins

    And a Marcus Aurelius bronze showing the donative scene.
    marcus aurelius libealitas.jpg MARCUS AURELIUS
    Orichalchum Sestertius. 24.30g, 31mm. Rome mint, Dec AD 176 - Autumn 177. RIC 1208; C 424. O: M ANTONINVS AVG - GERM SARM TR P XXXI, laureate head right. R: [IMP VIII - COS III] P P, Marcus Aurelius and Commodus seated left on platform; behind, stands officer; before, Liberalitas standing with counting board and cornucopiae; citizen mounting steps; in field, S-C; LIBERALITAS / AVG VII in exergue.
     
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  8. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Nice coins!

    Here's mine...the mama annd the papa..
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    AR Denarius Septimius Severus 193-211 AD (Nicely toned)

    3.37g. 18mm. 202-210 AD Rome mint.

    Obverse- SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right

    Reverse- FELICITAS AVGG, Felicitas standing facing, head left, holding caduceus and cornucopiae

    RIC IV 261; RSC 135

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    Julia Domna. Augusta, AD 193-217.
    AR Denarius (3,84g). Rome mint. Struck under Septimius Severus, circa AD 200-207. Draped bust right / Pietas standing left, holding acerrum (incence box) and dropping incense onto lighted and garlanded altar to left. RIC IV 572 (Septimius); RSC 150.

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  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I love the posts! Great thread with great coins!!

    I'm missing those devices but I'll pile on with this denarius:p


    AR Denarius of Septimius Severus 193-211 AD., - SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right / P M TR P XVI COS III P P, Jupiter standing right, leaning back preparing to hurl a thunderbolt and holding a scepter(3.94 grams, 19/18 mm) Rome mint 208 AD., RIC IV 216 RSC 501



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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    A few from Rome:
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    Two from "Emesa"
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    One from Laodicea
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    In a week and a half the voters in my state will go to the polls to elect a new governor. The candidates have spent a lot of money buying TV time to tell me what a crook the other guy is. Not one of them showed up at my door throwing money. Some promise things but the Romans did things more directly. In addition to cash, Roman politicians funded games and circuses. None of the mailings from politicians I have received included World Series or NFL tickets. Most people I know have already decided who they will vote for if they bother to go vote and the winner will be the one who gets the largest turn out from his fan base. None of them have announced a buffet lunch at the polls to make me want to drag myself down there. Today we consider the Roman ways of politics to be borderline barbarous. Candidates, listen up: Your phone calls during my nap time are not helping your cause. Go Roman, send denarii! :troll:
     
  11. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Cool thread with some nice ancients.
    Who doesn't like good ole Sept. Sev.?
    No Liberalitas but this is amongst my favorites

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    Septimius Severus. A.D. 193-211. AR denarius (18.73 mm, 3.20 g, 7 h). Rome mint, A.D. 200-201. SEVERVS AVG PART MAX, laureate head right / RESTITVTOR VRBIS, Septimius standing left, sacrificing out of patera over lighted altar. RIC 167a; RSC 599; BMCRE 202. Toned aVF.
     
  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    "Enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men"

    -Septimius Severus on his deathbed in York.
     
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  13. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Shortsighted precedent that helped contribute to and then prolongue the Crisis of the Third Century.
     
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