Is this a Tetradrachm - Nero (Antioch Mint) ?

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  1. dave_in_delaware

    dave_in_delaware Active Member

    Hello everyone.

    I picked this up a few weeks ago at an estate cleanout / consignment store that I visit weekly. It was listed as $5 but I asked the owner if he could cut me a deal since I was buying other numismatic things, so I saved $1 on it....

    Anyway, I did a search for this coin on Numista, and this is as close as I could find to what my coin looks like:

    Tetradrachm - Nero (Antioch Mint)... Link on Numista

    Please double-check my research skills. I think the little typed note that came in the plastic bag behind the coin is throwing me off since it states different years (54-68 AD vs. Numista's 82-83 AD). But after looking through Numista's search for "tetradrachm" this is as close to matching the photos as I could get.

    Thank you so much!

    Obverse:
    Tetradrachm-Nero-Antioch-Obverse-crop.jpg

    Reverse:
    Tetradrachm-Nero-Antioch-Reverse-crop.jpg

    Note:
    Tetradrachm-Nero-Antioch-Note.jpg
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My first impression is that it is a modern copy of a Nero tetradrachm. It appears to have a casting seam on the edge and looks much more coppery than a silver coin of this type should.
     
  4. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Looks like a modern cast copy of a Nero (54-68 AD) Antioch tetradrachm. Note the overall cast appearance, tiny raised areas (such as in Nero's eye) that indicate damage to the mold, and also the fact that the original coin was silver, not bronze. Still, at $4, not such a bad deal.
     
  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Looks fake to me too because of the seam.
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Agreed with others, looks fake.
     
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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Agree. Sorry
     
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  9. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    In addition to the coin being a fake, the information insert is off. This can be seen where it states, "Incidentally, there are many historians who believe Nero had Rome burned so he could blame it on the Christians." It's not so much that Nero had Rome burned so he could blame it on the Christians but rather that they may have been blamed in its aftermath as a scapegoating measure.

    Some speculate that he caused the fire to make room to build his Domus Aurea villa. There are a lot of speculative causes regarding the cause of the fire but one arguing that it was done with the purpose to assign blame on one particular group is one of the least credible explanations I've heard of for it.
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    For comparison: This is my Nero Tet that I purchased from a respected member here:

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    Antioch, Syria
    Nero Regnal year 8, Caesarian year 110, (AD 61/62)
    AR Tetradrachm 25 mm x 14.05 grams
    Obverse: NERWNOS KAISAROS SEBASTOU, Laureate bust right, wearing aegis.
    Reverse: Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm branch before, H/IP behind.
    Ref: RPC4182
    Ex: @Ancientnoob
     
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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I fell for this fake, but luckily got a refund:
    Nero 7.jpg
     
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  12. dave_in_delaware

    dave_in_delaware Active Member

    Well, dang. That's a bummer.

    Thanks for the input everyone, and for the photographic back-up.

    Do you think it's worth going back to that store and informing them that they sold me a fake? They're relatively new to estate cleanouts and they check e-Bay to get an idea on numismatic prices for the stuff they sell in their store....
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    For $5? Nah, keep it. If you get a refund, they may sell to someone else who will think they got the deal of the century.
     
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  14. dave_in_delaware

    dave_in_delaware Active Member

    It was only $4. But I didn't mean to return it for a refund. I had thought about doing it, but didn't want to put a fake back in the case for someone else to buy.

    I'll mention it to them the next time I go there. I'm usually there every Saturday just to check if they got new numismatics in.
     
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  15. Tem45

    Tem45 Member

    I have an almost identical one, yours is in a little better condition. Just curious if you weighed it? Would you weigh it and let us know the weight!? Thanks!
     
  16. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    He hasn't been on the board since 2018.
     
  17. Tem45

    Tem45 Member

    I know, but neither was I and I'm back! lol
     
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