Is This A Doubled Die?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Double Die, Apr 2, 2021.

  1. Double Die

    Double Die I know just enough to be dangerous

    I don't get over in this section of the site, but I have a question on this coin I found while going through a box of random foreign. It's a 1951 Bulgarian 1 Stotinka that to me looks like the date, denom, and 1 are doubled?

    Am I correct?
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    could be im not familiar with foregins but it looks good most likely MD though.
     
  4. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    could be, wouldn't be surprised.
    or extreme extreme MD
     
  5. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    Looks like extreme machine doubling to me.
     
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  6. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    I see notching on the obverse, although blurry, so it looks like a doubled die. Probably pivoted about the date but maybe some offset too. On the reverse, looks like that's MD. Clearer photos of both the obverse and reverse would be helpful though.
     
  7. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    for all i know there is not a well-compiled guide on world doulbed die coins. A few listings across the web, including a couple added by @Fred Weinberg if I recall correctly. I don't remember the site I'm thinking of but I do know Mr. Weinberg had something to do with it.
     
  8. Double Die

    Double Die I know just enough to be dangerous

    I know, I asked for any good reference sites and didn't come up with much. Before today I never saw a Bulgarian coin, now I'm all over the place looking for info.
     
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  9. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    I think this is likely a case of DDD
     
  10. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    I think that it's mostly MD ... the die loose in the holder and slightly moving in the nanosecond after the strike..
     
  11. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    @Double Die Can you get better photos? The glare and fuzziness are making this diagnostic difficult.

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    The area above the tops of the letter have the appearance of Class 8 doubling

    “1”

    The notching on the one…if not part of the design, has the appearance of doubling. Maybe Class 5

    1951

    Looks like Classes 5 and 8…and what looks like MD.


    I’m having difficulty with the glare. Bouncing light plays tricks as you know. Can you soften the lighting? More direct rather than 9 o’clock?
     
  12. Double Die

    Double Die I know just enough to be dangerous

    I'll put this under the scope later for better pics. It's the size or smaller than a 3 cent silver nickel and actually surprised my phone got as many details it did.
     
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  13. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Yes, the phone's camera came very close to catching the details sharp. I see what the others are noting, but lack of familiarity with the coin details/devices, I'm not sure if the 'doubling' is just part of the design. But we can figure it out. Looking forward to the next series of photos.
     
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  17. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Searching images online, there appears to be multiple doubled dies for the date. The image above shows a more severe doubling...perhaps tripling of the die. Some of the confusion with your specimen might be that with multiple hubbings, it took on different class doubling. I'll be interested to see what we have once the glare is gone and the focus is sharp. It could be a very cool coin...and might fetch some decent money.
     
  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It looks like it could be a doubled die on that date side. It won’t be on both sides. Here’s my Yugoslavia 5 Dinara, doubled all over one side, to compare what a real doubled die looks like...

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  19. Double Die

    Double Die I know just enough to be dangerous

    Here are some better quality pics for comparison... bulg.jpg bulg1.jpg bulg2.jpg bulg3.jpg bulg5.jpg bulg6.jpg
     
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  20. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Yes, these are better. You can see the doubling, probably Class 5 and Class 8. The pivot on this variety doesn't have the severity like the example I posted above, but the tilted impression is pretty obvious. Nice save from the bin! It appears to be in very nice shape as well. A very fun find!!
     
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