Is this a copy or genuine?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Steven Shaw, Dec 11, 2022.

  1. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if this is foreign or ancient.

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    It appears to be a medieval English Long Cross penny from the reign of Henry III. So 13th century (1200s).

    I see nothing in the photos to make me doubt its authenticity.
     
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  4. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Thanks lordmarcovan. It does look similar. It's not silver. I found it with a bunch of coins that I had in a small envelope. I don't remember where I had gotten it. I will bring it with me to the FUN show in January to get it confirmed.
     
  5. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    I stand corrected. It could possibly be silver. Has a slight ring to it when I drop it on a granite countertop.
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Be very careful doing the ring test, especially with medieval hammered coins! They can shatter! (Better yet, don’t do it at all!)

    Since they’re so thin, they don’t really ring like a more modern milled silver coin would, anyway. It’s just not a meaningful testing method for this sort of coin.

    I see nothing that would make me doubt that it is, in fact, hammered silver. Looks normal for that.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Same here nothing jumps out as fake.
    Yep, these thin hammered coins can be brittle.
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    The less coins are handled the better. I keep mine in SAFLIPS. This way you can safely admire them without ever coming into contact with coin rims/ surfaces. IMG_0064.JPG IMG_0065.JPG
     
  9. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    @panzerman, so do I unless I want to take a picture of it.
     
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  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I even take my photos with coin inside flip/ I get uneasy removing them from holder/ in case of a mistake. But they look way better your method:)
     
  11. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    Yes, Genuine. Henry III, 1216-1272, voided long cross penny, struck by moneyer Robert at Canterbury.

    Class 5h (crown topped by trio of pellets at center instead of fleur), North 998; Spink 1374. This class dates from the end of Henry's reign.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thanks for the more detailed attribution.
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Did y’all have to study Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales in high school English, like I did?

    Well, here’s a medieval coin from Canterbury, except it’s a tad more than a century older than Chaucer’s manuscript! How cool is that?
     
  14. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

  15. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    I also house most of my raw coins in safeflips. Whenever I get a new one, I remove it from the sellers flip/holder and then photograph it (terribly, but I do try) and place it in a fresh flip. Because of the nature of the more brittle flips, if I do happen to remove the coin for whatever reason it goes into a new flip after I'm done, but I rarely remove them once they are stored in the flip.
     
  16. marchal steel

    marchal steel Active Member

    It's a beautiful coin, Steven. Amazing what the Brits did back then with making a half-penny, a "fourthing" (now farthing)... amazing.
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Of course this was a full penny. A silver halfpenny was a pretty small thing back then (and I don't think any were even made until later, with the copper halfpenny even centuries later still). And I guess the only way you had a farthing back when this coin was circulating would be to cut a penny into quarters, as often happened. The long cross provided useful lines to cut along.
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Your hot today
     
  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You do love your coins!!! Their always so pretty.
     
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  20. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    If I am recalling correctly the Cross was in part used to guide "cuts" for Half Pennies and Farthings
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes.
     
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