Is this a cast counterfeit?

Was browsing ebay and saw this pop of recently. This is a pretty rare/expensive coin even in this grade. I got to looking a bit closer and i notice a lot of small bumps in the fields and even a few on the rims and the eagle on the reverse. Considering the wear I estimate a VG grade...just seems like these bumps should not be there. Any comments?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1822-Rare-Date-...05?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4154b7a55d

 

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Looks like it was a dug coin.
Just my opinion...
Metal detector find, then harshly cleaned, leaving corrosion pits.
I could be wrong.

 

It looks as though this "legit" silver dime has been cleaned, those could very well be corrosion pits from environmental issues.

 

Maybe it is elemental damage from being in the ground... just looks like some of the spots on the reverse are raised bumps.

 

I'm going to say real coin with surface issues, but I am anything but an expert.

 

Ditto.

 

That could be a ground find but if it is, they did one heck of a job cleaning it up.
I'm thinking cast copy because of the bumps. Were rusty dies known to be used on the real ones?

 

Different places have different soil conditions, but a lot of the copper that I've dug from that time time period tends to look a lot worse.

That's all I have to add... lol.

EDIT: Oops, I guess it's silver and not copper... looked like a washed out red when I first looked at the pics.

 

Looks legit to me...altered surfaces/cleaning. Still a great looking coin when compared to most of the surviving 22s. I think the description does a pretty good job of explaining the surface issues:

"Very rare 1822 JR-1 Capped Bust dime has nice and strong vf+ details, though there is an obverse repair evident. It appears that a small amount of metal was added to cover a dig or some similar damage in the hair and at RTY, and that area was re-engraved. There is no evidence of any repair on the reverse. The coin appears quite original in all other respects, and is very attractive even considering the repair. And, 1822 dimes in VF just don't come along every day. They're hard enough to find in AG! "

Dave Kahn who also sells as busthalfnut, is very reliable and knowledgeable. I have bought many coins from him and I don't doubt his or this coin's integrity.

Dave has a strong following of repeat customers...this will be an interesting auction!

 

Not that I am aware of. Never seen an 1822 10C cast from rusty dies. I've compared the OP coin with my 2 1822's and everything looks OK, save the pebbly surface. Another possibility is the surface is a consequence of heat applied during the repair process?

 

Looks good to me. I've yet to see a cast piece, especially one that small that had defined denticles. Most cast denticles have blobs in between each.
Guy

 

Rim of reverse looks funny.

 

If I had the money available I'd be willing to chase it. I think it's real.

 

As a reference, one could not do any better.

 

I'm with Condor101. I believe the coin to be real with some minor repairs that are described in the post. It is really hard to detect forgeries through photographs. They really need to be scrutinized with magnification and good light. I also think that there is counterfeit paranoia going on right now. The problem isn't as bad as it seems. It just appears worse due to the Chinese reproductions that are flooding the market cpncurrently. I feel that this pandemic will fade as time goes by and we can relax a little. People are to quick to call a coin a fake when a lot of them are simply worn and circulated normal coins.

 

There are a lot of good points made here about this coin and I know CappedBustDimes knows this series well, and his approval means a lot. I do want to point out that I wasn't accusing the coin of being fake, just bringing up a discussion regarding the raised bumps on the reverse that is a sign on some coins that are counterfeit.

 

Personally, I feel the coin in question is a genuine survivor. Is it a " Problem Coin " ? yes. If I were in the market for this issue, I'd have no problem bidding at the present levels.

 

Any ideas on what could have caused the bumps on the reverse?

 

It could possibly be rusted dies, but I don't know if that is common for this date or not...Earlier in the thread someone mentioned it might have happened when the obverse was repaired. I'm also curious as to what happened.