Is this a Caracalla Dupondius?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Topcat7, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I recently purchased this coin but when I checked the attribution I found that the description was 'Bust Right' and my coin is 'Bust Left'. Also, the inscription does NOT match.

    Despite a lot of eye strain I have been unable to pin this coin down to any specific attribution. Can anyone help me out with this, please?

    Caracalla 198-217 AD, AE Provincial, Serdica mint, 14.4g, 29mm. Obverse: AVT K M AVP CEV ANTWNEINOC, laureate and cuirassed bust right. Reverse: OVLPIAC CEPDIKHC, serpent coiled upward, head right. ? Moushmov4860.

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have a Macrinus coin with a similar serpent with radiate head from Markianopolis
     
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    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Mmmmm, beautiful colours on that sweet new addition ... oh, and great snake!!

    Sadly, I don't have an example to toss-in ... "but" I did go look and found a Caracalla example that was facing "right" (but perhaps he issued variations of left and right?)

    ... anyway ...

    => again, that's a very cool addition with some sweet, sweet eye-appeal!!
     
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  6. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Hi, Bing.

    I did find Hadrianopolis Moushmov 2629, but the legend is different. my (Rev,) legend appears to be UOLPIAC PAUTALIAC (Oulpia Pautilia). Does that make a difference or can i go with Moushmov 2629?
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    If the legends are different then the reference is wrong. However, going through the on-line version of Moushmov, it's the only one I can find that kinda matches. Sorry I can't be of more help.
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The coin is clearly Pautalia

    To the original question: We should not call provincials by the names of Roman denominations. This is not a dupondius but probably a 4 or 5 assaria piece which we prefer to call AE29 acknowledging the fact that we have a poor grasp on exactly how some of the denominations related. Is there by chance an E under that lump on the reverse as on my Macrinus/Marcianopolis below which would make it a 5?
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    My only Caracalla Pautalia is 32mm and 19g and not marked by denomination.
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Pautalia Moushmov 4260 is similar but does not show a nimbate serpent and the portrait is facing right.
     
  10. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Steve - I appreciate your input. I, too, found the bust right, but, like you, I was unable to find bust left with the coiled serpent right (Rev.).

    Bing - I really do thank-you for your input. It has been more of a help than you probably see.

    Doug - I thank-you for ALL of your input (as well); as my Avatar states, I am only beginning with all of this and every (small) piece of knowledge is 'pounced' upon.

    Would you (all) agree if I was to put on my 2x2 the following.

    Caracalla 198-217 AD, AE29 Provincial, Pautilia, Thrace. Obverse: laureate and cuirassed bust left. Reverse: OVLPIAC PAUTALIAC, nimbate serpent, head right. Unattributed.?
     
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  11. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Bing, I shall take a look for that 'E' when the coin arrives.
     
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