Is there such a thing as copper eating worms? 1817 large cent

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  1. Moekeever

    Moekeever Well-Known Member

    This 1817 large cent begged me to purchase it. Did something eat away at this coin or just a talented engraver?

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  3. Moekeever

    Moekeever Well-Known Member

    "Is there" Stupid autocorrect.
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

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  5. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    I don't know but if there was I'd probably give them a try bass fishing lol.
     
  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Martin Luther would have upchucked......

    Late die state Mega? Be genital (gental?) (gentle), as I'm still learning.
     
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  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Pardon the 'burp'.........
     
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  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Cupromites.........copper termites!

    Chris:rolleyes:
     
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  9. KSorbo

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  10. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    Are those lines typical of how the Mint intentionally defaced dies when a die cracked, or when production was completed? Would pieces of wire adhering to the dies cause such an effect?
     
  11. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Have you tried scanning it with a Sonic Screwdriver?
     
  12. Amos 811

    Amos 811 DisMember

    at last! A good reason NOT to collect copper!
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The only thing that makes any sense to me is that the lines were caused by defects in a casting mold.
     
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  14. Moekeever

    Moekeever Well-Known Member

    Once I receive the coin I will weigh it to see if it has been cast.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Weighing it will likely not tell you much. Just looking at it pretty much confirms it has been cast.
     
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  16. frech001

    frech001 New but Old

    I purchased a large old collection of coins that had been improperly stored for 40 years in a basement and a barn. Some had been coated with shellac or varnish that was cracked allowing verdigris to form on the exposed surfaces. This coin looks like some of the worthless coins I experimented on. I first removed the shellac or varnish with acetone then treated the verdigris with zinc chloride (commercial solder flux) liquid which attacked the copper oxides (verdigris) and left hollow places on the surface of the coin that had deep verdigris penetration. Zinc chloride does not attack the copper like an acid would, but leaves the coin with an unnatural shiny surface. Your coin looks similar though appears to have been chemically re-toned with sulfur and then wiped off to appear to have been naturally worn.
     
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  17. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Was just typing much the same thing. Looks like the coin was coated with something that cracked, then it was attacked with something corrosive.

    I could swear I've seen at least one other thread with a coin that showed a pattern like this. It was a few years back. In that thread, I thought the conclusion was that it was attacked through cracks in a coating.
     
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  18. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Was casting used for contemporary counterfeits?
     
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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm having trouble imagining how defects in a casting mold would produce prominent incuse lines. I can see a cracked mold producing raised lines, but...?
     
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  20. frech001

    frech001 New but Old

    Good memory. I recalled the same post because I had responded with the same response.
     
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  21. Moekeever

    Moekeever Well-Known Member

    Do you have any photos you can post of this damage?
     
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