Is lustre present on all UNC & AUNC silver coins (1900-1945 era)

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  1. Basically I was wondering if any of you know if all silver coins from the 1900-1945 era in UNC or AUNC condition should have lustre on them, I have seen a few coins usually of certain types and countries that does not seem to have it despite them looking mint condition ?
     
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    Absolutely. If the coin does not possess mint luster, it cannot grade mint state or AU.
     
  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I thought luster was desirable and necessary for higher MS grades, but not necessary for it to be MS...for example MS60
     
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  5. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    By traditional grading standards, an uncirculated coin should exhibit full original mint luster. In lower-end uncirculated coins, luster may be dull or otherwise impaired but should be continuous across the surface of the coin. Breaks in luster can be taken as signs of wear. An AU coin should exhibit a minimum of 50% original luster.
     
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  6. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    This isn't an anomaly!: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1878-S-Mor...172581?hash=item2cab47d525:g:shMAAOSw~oFXFze~

    Does it help to answer your question?
     
  7. Firstly thankyou for all your comments, they all help me immensely, I have had coins where the lustre was hardly showing under heavy toning until that was removed, some coins it seems some of the designs dont lend themselves to lustre easily.
     
  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    Heavy toning can make luster seem less apparent, but if luster is still there, it is detectable, although a more experienced pair of eyes may be necessary.
     
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not true at all ! If the luster is broken anywhere on the coin, then it is not MS, cannot be MS. And that is as true for MS60 as it is for MS70.

    MS and Unc mean the same thing - they mean the coin has no wear, that the luster is not broken anywhere on the coin.
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I stand corrected.
     
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  11. Are all silver coins made with lustre though ? is there any that were manufactured that didnt have it or it was very faint, either from the finish or design ?
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Since I've opened my mouth and been wrong, I should keep shut, but I think proof coins lack luster......now I'll wait for @GDJMSP to correct me.
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When they are new, freshly minted, any and all coins that are made by the striking of dies - have luster - every single one ! From the very first ancients, to the ones just made this morning, if they are struck, they have luster. And yes that includes all Proofs.

    That said one must realize that there are many different types of luster, and each one looks a bit different than all the others. Every coin type there is has its own unique type of luster. There are also different degrees of luster, different qualities of luster if you will.
     
  14. LA_Geezer

    LA_Geezer Well-Known Member

    From what's been said, it seems to me that those who dip their coins could, MAYBE, destroy any luster? I suppose this could depend on what chemical is being used to alter the coin's surface synthetically.
     
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  15. coolhandred24

    coolhandred24 Member

    I collect MS coins with original toning and although they are not flashing white they do exhibit luster when viewed in a raking light. Many 19th century coins have wonderful toning and I always check for the luster remaining under the toning.

    Even some XF coins have areas of original luster which is normally found next to the devices such as stars and letters.
     
  16. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I learned my lesson for the day thanks to Monitor. Be safe all
     
  17. I have used dips and it has not effected the lustre from what I can see, if anything as long as its done carefully it has let more of it appear, but doing this too often or for too long would remove the lustre I reckon as its a type of acid at the end of the day.
     
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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Kentucky, posted: "I thought luster was desirable and necessary for higher MS grades, but not necessary for it to be MS...for example MS60.

    Actually, YOU are CORRECT. While old timers (Doug & I) and very conservative graders stand by the ORIGINAL (which should have never changed STANDARD) definition of MS: NO TRACE OF FRICTION WEAR; it is no longer used. Greedy Coin dealers and TPGS's have corrupted that old standard and made it obsolete.
    Today, very many coins considered to be/bought/sold/ or professionally graded MS are not! :(

    Silverfinger©, asked: "Are all silver coins made with lustre though ? is there any that were manufactured that didnt have it or it was very faint, either from the finish or design ?"

    "LUSTER" is the reflection of light from a surface. Most things around you have luster, even plastic and wood!

    "MINT LUSTER" is specific to coins. It is the reflection of light from their surface. Newly made coins have it. That includes casts and struck coins. Coins with a matte surface also have Mint luster.
     
  19. Yeah I meant mint lustre, or cartwheel lustre.
     
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It can harm the luster - IF ya do it incorrectly. But do it correctly and it won't.

    And, the luster may have already been destroyed by the toning - so once ya dip the coin there isn't any. But it's not because the dip destroyed it, it's because it was already destroyed.

    Ya see, toning, if left unchecked can and will absolutely destroy luster. And far, far, more coins have been saved by dipping them, than have ever been harmed by dipping them. 80% or more of ALL older coins have been dipped. The only reason you see them as they look today is BECAUSE they were dipped. If they had not been, they (the luster) woulda been destroyed by now.
     
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  21. I didn't realise that toning can damage the lustre, good to know.
     
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